Abortion and DUI

[Gift_from_God]

I’ve noticed that a lot of women that get abortions often say it was because the pregnancy was unintended and unexpected. This got me thinking; most people know drinking and driving is dangerous, yet many do it anyway. If someone got drunk and got into an accident, what are the odds he/she would be exonerated by saying that it was unintentional even though he/she already knew the consequences of drinking and driving? With pregnancy, how can a woman say a pregnancy is unexpected if she engages in sexual activity knowing full well that sexual intercourse leads to pregnancy. Even if there was protection, they’re not 100%. What a double standard society has

 

[HappyHazel]

I’ve noticed that a lot of women that get abortions often say it was because the pregnancy was unintended and unexpected. This got me thinking; most people know drinking and driving is dangerous, yet many do it anyway. If someone got drunk and got into an accident, what are the odds he/she would be exonerated by saying that it was unintentional even though he/she already knew the consequences of drinking and driving? With pregnancy, how can a woman say a pregnancy is unexpected if she engages in sexual activity knowing full well that sexual intercourse leads to pregnancy. Even if there was protection, they’re not 100%. What a double standard society has

There was a time when DUI was just consider a part of normal life. In the 1960’s there were very few consequences for drinking and driving, to the point that if a drunk driver killed a person, they got off, because of the impairment. Society grows and a small problem becomes a big problems so action is taken.

As for abortion, I agree how can you not know you may get pregnant. And how do you turn back time. We live in a highly sexual culture. If you are religious don’t have pre-maritial sex. For those against abortion, fight for better methods of contraceptives.

Abortion is an emotional issue. It would be better to protest the Pope’s ruling than waste energy on a problem no man can understand.

How many Catholics use condoms, and birth control? Can you imagine if every sex act was a child, the world would have mass starvation and disease from the over population. Some times the one’s at the top prove to be human and make mistakes.

 

[flyingfish]

I’ve noticed that a lot of women that get abortions often say it was because the pregnancy was unintended and unexpected. This got me thinking; most people know drinking and driving is dangerous, yet many do it anyway. If someone got drunk and got into an accident, what are the odds he/she would be exonerated by saying that it was unintentional even though he/she already knew the consequences of drinking and driving? With pregnancy, how can a woman say a pregnancy is unexpected if she engages in sexual activity knowing full well that sexual intercourse leads to pregnancy. Even if there was protection, they’re not 100%. What a double standard society has

Except that driving while drunk is an activity that can harm other people, and so we punish perpetrators in the hope that it will reduce the number of drunk drivers. There is no logic behind punishing women for having sex, and sex is a basic human need without which quality of life is reduced.

 

[Catholic1954]

Since when is creating another human being a punishment? The only purpose of having sex to make babies. It is not a basic human need, millions of people live happy, normal, high quality lives without sex. The secular world has convinced you that you have a right to recreational sex, no one does.

 

[flyingfish]

Since when is creating another human being a punishment?

Pregnancy is hard on the body, the mind (post partum depression), and quality of life. Being forced to remain pregnant would certainly be viewed as a punishment by many.

The only purpose of having sex to make babies.

Untrue, if this were so we’d only want sex during ovulation (the case with many animals). Look up the sexual habits of the bonobo chimp, one of our closest relatives, for a non-human example for how sex can have other functions. This particular species has sex as a greeting, as a way to resolve conflict etc. (This includes sex between same gender).

For human beings, sex is fun, it relieves tension, it helps to bond a couple and so on. It definitely has other functions beyond making babies, or else we’d only have it the few times we wanted kids.

It is not a basic human need, millions of people live happy, normal, high quality lives without sex. The secular world has convinced you that you have a right to recreational sex, no one does.

And yet again and again on this forum you see sad stories of spouses who are not getting the sex they want. Men supposedly think of sex every few minutes, people are preoccupied with attracting sexual partners.

 

[vera_dicere]

There was a time when DUI was just consider a part of normal life. In the 1960’s there were very few consequences for drinking and driving, to the point that if a drunk driver killed a person, they got off, because of the impairment. Society grows and a small problem becomes a big problems so action is taken.

Cars weren’t as fast. Therefore the risks were much lower of a serious prang.

For those against abortion, fight for better methods of contraceptives.

Contraception is NOT the friend of the Pro-Lifer.

Depending on what you’re reading, 50 - 75% of women who are aborting are doing so because of a contraceptive failure.

If there are 1.2 million abortions in America each year, and at the lowest rate, 50% are for contraceptive boo-boos, that’s 500,000 children at least being killed because some idiot can’t use a condom properly or they miss read the directions on their pill.

I mean, heck, if contraception was 100% I wouldn’t be here. I got through a condom, spermicide AND the pill.

The entire purpose of sex is pregnancy. Yes, not every sex act will result in a child, but that’s a moot point. Biologically, there is no other purpose for sex, other then reproduction. The sooner people realise that, the better off we’ll all be.

How many Catholics use condoms, and birth control? Can you imagine if every sex act was a child, the world would have mass starvation and disease from the over population. Some times the one’s at the top prove to be human and make mistakes.

There’s no point harping on about “what could be” or “can you imagine if…” humans were designed to get pregnant only two - three days per month. Sex on those fertile days can result in conception, but, apparently, only 25% of conceptions implant. (Don’t ask me how they get that number). And then there’s other statistic that about at least 50% of implantations dont’ grow into a viable foetus.

Contraception is not our friend. It will not stop abortions. It will not save us all from starvation. All it will do is drive a wedge through what’s supposed to be the most intimate and strongest relationship in the human family.

 

[vera_dicere]

Untrue, if this were so we’d only want sex during ovulation (the case with many animals). Look up the sexual habits of the bonobo chimp, one of our closest relatives, for a non-human example for how sex can have other functions. This particular species has sex as a greeting, as a way to resolve conflict etc. (This includes sex between same gender).

You are correct. Sex does have some other bonuses. But do you think sex would exist if we reproduced in some other manner? No. It wouldn’t. There’d be absolutely no point.

 

[flyingfish]

You are correct. Sex does have some other bonuses. But do you think sex would exist if we reproduced in some other manner? No. It wouldn’t. There’d be absolutely no point.

It’s hard to say. It’s conceivable that a species that had sex would be more evolutionarily successful if frequent sex between members made them into a more cohesive group.

Even if we reproduced asexually, but sex helped us to bond into pairs, and if pairs had a better chance of making it than individuals it could be selected for.

You’re really asking me to speculate, and I have no way of knowing. Look at many other human behaviors, there are plenty of things we do that don’t have practical physical purposes, but serve more to bond us into groups.

 

[HappyHazel]

Contraception is NOT the friend of the Pro-Lifer.

WHY is that? Seriously, I am not being rude.

Depending on what you’re reading, 50 - 75% of women who are aborting are doing so because of a contraceptive failure.

That is just why I say build a better contraceptive pill or procedure. We are not going to change the way females have embraced having control over their reproductive organs. We are not going to change the fact that not all men want to have pregnant wife every 11 months. Or a wife that can’t have sex.

Biologically, there is no other purpose for sex, other then reproduction. The sooner people realise that, the better off we’ll all be.

It can be argued that sex relieves tension, brings two people closer together emotionally, there is give and take, and for me there is a tremendous trust factor that develops.

Contraception is not our friend. It will not stop abortions. It will not save us all from starvation. All it will do is drive a wedge through what’s supposed to be the most intimate and strongest relationship in the human family.

I just disagree, contraception is our friend. If we stopped making sex so taboo it would be seen for what it is - a private act of bonding to another.

 

[Doc_Keele]

Yes, surely if abortion is such an evil, which I totally agree it is - anything which reduces abortions has got to be at least a lesser evil? Contraception is not ending a life like abortion does.

 

[Doc_Keele]

Well it’s probably true that most if not all drink drivers didn’t intend to have an accident. So there is no disparity between them and people having sex and becoming pregnant. Holding people responsible for accidents on the basis that they drove a car whilst under the influence of alcohol is a policy matter, as other posters have alluded to.
Whereas if someone kills someone, they may well be exonerated for murder (but be convicted of manslaughter) if they didn’t intend to kill that person.

 

[prodigalson12]

Yes, surely if abortion is such an evil, which I totally agree it is - anything which reduces abortions has got to be at least a lesser evil? Contraception is not ending a life like abortion does.

If contraception was eliminated, people would be greatly more reluctant to have sex as they do too commonly now, with multiple partners. Our society would be more moral in that area, regardless of any religious beliefs. We would also have dramatically less social diseases, people would be happier, and we would have far less abortions as well, for people would actually get to know who ever they have sex with, rather then jump in the sack with whom ever., as it should have been from the beginning.

 

[prodigalson12]

I just disagree, contraception is our friend. If we stopped making sex so taboo it would be seen for what it is - a private act of bonding to another.

It’s giving of ones own soul to another. You are tainting yourself by doing so outside of marriage, it does have an affect on your very being in every way. It’s not just some biological act of bonding, it’s far deeper then that.

 

[flyingfish]

If contraception was eliminated, people would be greatly more reluctant to have sex as they do too commonly now, with multiple partners. Our society would be more moral in that area, regardless of any religious beliefs. We would also have dramatically less social diseases, people would be happier, and we would have far less abortions as well, for people would actually get to know who ever they have sex with, rather then jump in the sack with whom ever., as it should have been from the beginning.

You’d have to eliminate NFP as well to achieve that effect.

 

[Doc_Keele]

If contraception was eliminated, people would be greatly more reluctant to have sex as they do too commonly now, with multiple partners. Our society would be more moral in that area, regardless of any religious beliefs. We would also have dramatically less social diseases, people would be happier, and we would have far less abortions as well, for people would actually get to know who ever they have sex with, rather then jump in the sack with whom ever., as it should have been from the beginning.

without contraception there would be less abortions?
I can’t figure out how on earth you reckon that?
what’s a social disease btw?

 

[Newbie2]

There was a time when DUI was just consider a part of normal life. In the 1960’s there were very few consequences for drinking and driving, to the point that if a drunk driver killed a person, they got off, because of the impairment. Society grows and a small problem becomes a big problems so action is taken.

As for abortion, I agree how can you not know you may get pregnant. And how do you turn back time. We live in a highly sexual culture. If you are religious don’t have pre-maritial sex. For those against abortion, fight for better methods of contraceptives.

Abortion is an emotional issue. ** It would be better to protest the Pope’s ruling than waste energy on a problem no man can understand. **
How many Catholics use condoms, and birth control? Can you imagine if every sex act was a child, the world would have mass starvation and disease from the over population. Some times the one’s at the top prove to be human and make mistakes.

Yeah, we Catholics get all emotional when a life is unnecessarily ended.

Yes, surely if abortion is such an evil, which I totally agree it is - anything which reduces abortions has got to be at least a lesser evil? Contraception is not ending a life like abortion does.

Ah, we need to be careful lest we fall into a rationalistic mode, no?

 

[kage_ar]

and sex is a basic human need without which quality of life is reduced.

No, sex is a gift from God and it is only intended for those in a valid marriage. If sex were a basic need, like food and water and air, it would be moral for anyone to partake of it.

Sex is not a basic human need.

To equate sex with quality of life is immature and secular.

 

[Newbie2]

No, sex is a gift from God and it is only intended for those in a valid marriage. If sex were a basic need, like food and water and air, it would be moral for anyone to partake of it.

Sex is not a basic human need.

To equate sex with quality of life is immature and secular.

Hmmmm. I’d say rather that sex is a basic human drive.

Furthermore, we could say with some degree of accuracy that removing sex from some people’s lives reduces the quality of their lives.

I’d take issue with your last statement, k, as a unqualified statement. If on one hand we say sex is a gift from God, then his gifts are good and contribute to the quality of our lives (in the context of sex within a marriage, as it is intended, which is a qualification that needs IMHO to be made).

 

[kage_ar]

Hmmmm. I’d say rather that sex is a basic human drive.

Furthermore, we could say with some degree of accuracy that removing sex from some people’s lives reduces the quality of their lives.

I’d take issue with your last statement, k, as a unqualified statement. If on one hand we say sex is a gift from God, then his gifts are good and contribute to the quality of our lives (in the context of sex within a marriage, as it is intended, which is a qualification that needs IMHO to be made).

For those of us who are validly married, we go periods without sex. My quality of life is not reduced on the days or weeks or months or years when we abstain from the marital embrace. If tomorrow I my husband could no longer complete the act, my quailty if life would not be diminished. Our marriage is about far more than sex.

 

[Doc_Keele]

Ah, we need to be careful lest we fall into a rationalistic mode, no?

Is abortion a greater evil than contraception - yes or no?