Abortion and political office

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Not sure i really follow your question sorry, whilst JRM (the conservative) has publicly stated that he agrees with the Catholic Church on abortion (and gay marriage):
He is not going to try and pass a law to make it illegal - nobody is. This is normal in Europe.

Thankfully we have many parties so the choice for a Catholic voter is never between a good liberal and an awful conservative. But the left wing candidates (who are leftists, not liberals) are committed Marxists:
which is incompatible with Catholic beliefs.
 
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The short version is, you’re not going to find agreement on this matter.

What’s definite is that a Catholic may not vote with the purpose of encouraging abortion. However, it is not forbidden to make the choice for prudential reasons, that the pro-choice candidate is better than the pro-life one. Where that choice falls in any individual election is left to the conscience of the individual Catholic voter.
 
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Was wondering if we are Catholic Christians if a political candidate is pro-abortion should we still vote for that person no matter how many good ideas he or she has.
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Here in the Philippines it is not an issue because is abortion is illegal. Also, divorce is illegal here too.
 
While I have some sympathy for the Salvadorans, I cannot understand how the man profiled in the WaPo article, who has been in this country for something like 18 years, has a good job for which he has been trained, has a house and a family, in other words is not exactly working and living as an undocumented unskilled laborer, does not have a path to citizenship. I would hope that the powers that be can work with him on this. At the same time, if people come here on a “temporary” status, then staying here almost 2 decades seems to be pushing it, big time. “Temporary” by its very language suggests that you might not be able to stay and that you should maybe look into whether there is some other legal way for you to stay.

Edited to add, I’m also pretty sure the WaPo cherry picked the most shining example they could for their article. There are probably some others who are not contributing to the economy and the community in the manner of their article subject.
 
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It’s very hard for someone who has a visa overstay on their record to get through. I had one friend who was seeking a green card, but had a visa overstay of maybe 2 weeks on a tourist visa previously a number of years ago. Other than that he was an ideal candidate - a highly educated Canadian man seeking marriage to an American woman with a good income. It took like 2 years for him to be able to get an immigration visa.
 
I don’t think the Salvadorans have overstayed. As I understand it, their temporary visas kept getting renewed by each successive President until this one, meaning that they have been here for many years legally, but they are about to lose the legal status. That is why I hope that there is a path to citizenship for those who have not broken any laws.
 
The American people failed in the Primaries.

It should have been Bernie Sanders vs John Kasich in the GE.
 
The US Bishops have provided prudent guidance:

  1. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position
    even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that
    candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly
    grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a
    fundamental moral evil.
  2. When all candidates hold a position that promotes an intrinsically evil act, the
    conscientious voter faces a dilemma. The voter may decide to take the extraordinary step of not
    voting for any candidate or, after careful deliberation, may decide to vote for the candidate
    deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other
    authentic human goods.
  3. In making these decisions, it is essential for Catholics to be guided by a well-formed
    conscience that recognizes that all issues do not carry the same moral weight and that the moral
    obligation to oppose policies promoting intrinsically evil acts has a special claim on our
    consciences and our actions. These decisions should take into account a candidate’s
    commitments, character, integrity, and ability to influence a given issue. In the end, this is a
    decision to be made by each Catholic guided by a conscience formed by Catholic moral teaching
 
Ah yeah. I know that was one major issue to the DREAM act - it allowed people to stay legally, but there really wasn’t a way to get onto a path to citizenship. It’s been rather an issue that it’s actually incredibly hard to gain legal citizenship in the U.S.
 
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It should have been Bernie Sanders vs John Kasich in the GE.
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i would have happily voted for Bernie as I wouldn’t vote for John Kasich for anything, unless he was running against that total loser Ed Fitzgerald who used to be my hometown mayor and basically ditched his responsibilities to my town as soon as he could move up the ladder.
 
Bernie would have been leaps and bounds better than either a Clinton or Trump administration, IMO.
 
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I don’t think the Salvadorans have overstayed. As I understand it, their temporary visas kept getting renewed by each successive President until this one, meaning that they have been here for many years legally, but they are about to lose the legal status. That is why I hope that there is a path to citizenship for those who have not broken any laws.
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Plus, they’ve been here for nearly 20 years! What were they supposed to do all this time? They have jobs, homes, families, community ties . . .
 
Yes. They have lived in the US longer than I have. They have more of a stake in the country than I do. It is sad that our president is willing to move these Americans to a country that, quite frankly, is just about as dangerous as a war zone.
 
I realize Little lady you are only providing guidance from our Bishops. However…

I wonder how many THOUSANDS of babies get murdered in a 4 year term of a pro choice candidate with otherwise perceivable “good character, integrity and ability to influence a given issue” ? Are all these so called candidate qualities worth the price of even one ONE immortal soul ?

I never, never vote for pro choice candidates. Ever.

Many of these pro choice candidates are the first to speak out against projects that MAY, may effect the climate. Displace or MAYBE harm some endangered fish or rodent. But close their eyes to the obvious murder of the innocent.
 
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Salutations,
I saw notes some offered that stated , we didn’t have to have a one issue decision. Stated allegedly by Pope Francis???
But, the DNC has a platform. It is Pro-Choice and pro-all sexes and genders. I use to be a Dem. Had to change.
I vote straight pro life and pro Israel.
God would like world peace and balanced govts but the precious gift of life in the womb and caring for our older adults are more important. THEYLL SHALL NOT KILL/MURDER. HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER, AND YOU WILL HAVE A LONG LIFE IN THE LAND. TAKE CARE OF YOUR PARENTS, EVEN IF ADDLED MINDED.
In Christ’s love
The Pope did state if a politician is pro-choice, they should not be given communion during mass.Our priests are not following this directive 100%.
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In the last US Election we had exactly two candidates who were against abortion. They were neither donkeys or elephants. Did you vote 3rd party? If you did not, you voted for a party that is for abortion. One party is more up front about it is all.
 
I know women that have committed suicide or have become very depessed because of there decision to abort. It is not solving a permanent problem because you will have guilt and other things that follow if you abort.

The child is purely innocent and needs a chance at life. There are other choices besides abortion. You are playing God when you stop what He has created.
 
There’s serious reason to believe the Democrat primaries were severely messed with to ensure a Clinton lead over Sanders, though I don’t think his economic policies would be good if he actually were to follow through on them (though of course in reality it wouldn’t be so easy if the Congress remained the same).
 
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There is some truth to that. It seems both parties are okay with the status quo, which of course is the RvW position.
 
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