Abortion and Politicians

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I have a question about where the church would like to be at when it comes to abortion. I mean this in a realistic way, do we want to reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortion or rid the world of abortion? We want to have Catholic politicians elected but if it appears that Bishops or the Pope are controlling their vote then they might not get elected. We would then need to depend on other people to move in the direction of a Pro-life movement. I would appreciate any comments on this thread.😉
 
We just want the world to do what God teaches us should be done. The natural order of things. We want people to be abstinent and chaste until they are sacramentally married, after marriage take NFP classes and make intelligent decisions prayerfully about when and if to have children.

Since that seems to be too difficult for people of the world, we are stuck trying to get people elected that will pass laws that are consistent with good morals. Limiting unwanted pregnancies is good as long as practicing and encouraging abstinence is the way this is achieved. Reducing the number of abortions is a good start, but we should always work toward stopping all abortions, never stop trying to prevent injustice on the innocent.
 
I am afraid that if people want an abortion they will get one whether or not it is legal or illegal or immoral. I think it is a sin that if left unrepentant will result in loss of salvation till the moment of death. I don’t know if it is helpful for bishops to come out specifically and publicly against elected Catholic officials. In the future people may not vote for catholic politicians and that is bad. It should be a private matter between our priests and the individual. When a catholic is denied the Eucharist in a public way and it appears to be a denial of a desired thing it looks like control of a person.

The church should be vocal on Abortion and its effects on sinners. They should not publicly come out against politicians. They should publicly give the teachings of the church when possible. I understand material cooperation and its effects. We should not make a vote for health care a vote for abortion. Under proportionate reasoning it is a greater good to provide health care to millions.

Maybe we can include abstinance and other type of stuff in the bill as a compromise to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancy. I think we have to be incremental in our approach to abortion. We need healthcare reform now.
 
I have a question about where the church would like to be at when it comes to abortion. I mean this in a realistic way, do we want to reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortion or rid the world of abortion? We want to have Catholic politicians elected but if it appears that Bishops or the Pope are controlling their vote then they might not get elected. We would then need to depend on other people to move in the direction of a Pro-life movement. I would appreciate any comments on this thread.😉
Click on to my user name, click find all posts and find threads called “The Elephant In the Room” and " For the Vatican it’s clear." I do agree on more overall teaching on abortion than to single out Catholic pro-choice politicians. We are all sinners including myself. As a Catholic I have responsibility to be PRO-LIFE and if not, then according to the Catholic church, I would be in “latae sententiae” excommunicated (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2272) and according to Canon Law, I would be forbidden to receive Holy Communion. If would not confess at SACRAMENT OF RECONCILIATION, repent and go Pro-life even at my death, I would condemn myself from God for eternity. The Bishops have been more advising Catholic pro-choice politicians about the sinfulness and evils of abortion because certain Catholic pro-choice politicians and civilian lay Catholics have been making a mockery toward the Catholic Church, our religious and lay faithful on this issue. My posts on the threads are strong as some Bishops have TO CATHOLIC POLITICIANS WHO ARE pro-choice. Not to judge and condemn the sinner, but to judge and condemn the sinful action(s) and choices we make against God. The Bishops have made private discussions with Catholic pro-choice politicians. Lately Patrick Kennedy D, RI in which he and Bishop Tobin had private discussions like confession. Bishop Tobin kept his vow of privacy and secrecy of the conversation. Patrick Kennedy brought the conversation about himself and Bishop Tobin to the public. Because of Patrick Kennedy’s pro-choice decision, he himself is in heresy and excommunicated. Bishop Tobin had to proclaim excommunication to the Catholic Church and the public because Patrick Kennedy’s speeches and actions have created grave scandal to the Catholic community.
A Catholic politician is a servant to God and the public combined, just like we are servants to God. The Catholic politician has a responsibility to conform with natural law for the public common good as well as us Catholics religious and lay persons. (CCC 1950-1974, 2284-2287, 2493-2499).
 
I am afraid that if people want an abortion they will get one whether or not it is legal or illegal or immoral. I think it is a sin that if left unrepentant will result in loss of salvation till the moment of death. I don’t know if it is helpful for bishops to come out specifically and publicly against elected Catholic officials. In the future people may not vote for catholic politicians and that is bad. It should be a private matter between our priests and the individual. When a catholic is denied the Eucharist in a public way and it appears to be a denial of a desired thing it looks like control of a person.

The church should be vocal on Abortion and its effects on sinners. They should not publicly come out against politicians. They should publicly give the teachings of the church when possible. I understand material cooperation and its effects. We should not make a vote for health care a vote for abortion. Under proportionate reasoning it is a greater good to provide health care to millions.

Maybe we can include abstinance and other type of stuff in the bill as a compromise to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancy. I think we have to be incremental in our approach to abortion. We need healthcare reform now.
**The Church is vocal on Abortion, it’s just that most people are too ignorant, lazy or cowardly to listen!

The Church rarely comes out publicly against individual politicians unless, like in the recent Kennedy case, the politician drags a private letter from his Bishop into the public eye after 2 years for political gain & misrepresents the Church teachings & position on this primordial issue.**

Yes people will continue to get abortions, whether legal or illegal. Our mission is to inform everyone about the Truth, the fact that abortion does not solve a woman’s problems, it just creates life-long misery, regret & guilt.

** We must inform them of the scientific Truth that life begins at the moment of conception.** The lies peddled by those who make billions of $$$$ off women in crisis through the horrors of abortion by calling the baby a “few indiscriminate cells, or a blob of tissue, or a zygote, or a fetus” or whatever else will dehumanize the innocent baby.

**We must inform them about the Truth that women only have freedom of “choice” without abortion! **There are numerous churches & charitable agencies that will help mothers with financial aid, medical treatment, food, housing, job training & placement so they can keep the baby, or they can give the baby up for adoption to give their child a life & a family a baby!

Those are the “choices” Jesus wants: " and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me; for he who is least among you all is the one who is great.” (Lk 9:48)

No one is judging or blaming the poor women, who often are pressured by men or even their own parents to abort their baby. Jesus has infinite Mercy for all of us who sin, as long a s we repent. The goal is to minimize the needless murder of innocent babies through abortion and save these women a lifetime of pain, by shining the Light of Truth, our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ, on the lies promulgated by those who stand to gain from this horrible genocide.

**Let us follow the beautiful example of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus, on this Feast Day of Her Immaculate Conception; **

**"And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” (Lk 1:38)
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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