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JRKH
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How sad to see this “red herring” drug up to muddy the waters once again.
Does the sin of a past generation make the sin of this generation acceptable?
Please - let us not go down that road here. The stakes in the abortion battle are too high for such things.
Having said that, I agree with your last statement. A true “Evangelical Christian” cannot be pro-abortion.
A few years back “WWJD” was popular among the Christian community and seen many places. Of course it means, “What Would Jesus Do?”. Well that is what we should ask here. What would Jesus do, or say, about those purporting themselves to be “Christians” being “pro-abortion”.
Would Jesus not perhaps quote “Jeremiah”, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you”. Would Jesus then perhaps ask such a “christian”, "If God formed Jeremiah in the womb, then does God not form ALL children in the womb? Why then do you feel justified in destroying what God has formed?
No - Truly - A person who calls themselved “evangelical christian” cannot truly be a follower of Christ, AND be Pro-abortion.
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wisdomseeker
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are you trying to compare the iinquisition which was against heresies with abortion?
inquisition was necessary. if we had inquisition today, perhaps we wouldnt have so much heresy. the Faith must be protected from err.
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Dokimas
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Dokimas
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Are you saying what the CC church did was commanded by God? Sounds like you believe like the hard core Muslims do - Death to the infidels.
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I lifted the following quote from the article.
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The case has caused a furor. Abortion is illegal in Brazil except in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger, both of which apply in this case. (The girl's immature hips would have made labor dangerous; the Catholic opinion was that she could have had a cesarean section.) When the incident came to light in local newspapers, the Church first asked a judge to halt the process and then condemned those involved, including the 9-year-old's distraught mother. Even Catholic Brazilians were shocked at the harshness of the archbishop's actions. "In this case, most people support the doctors and the family. Everything they did was legal and correct," says Beatriz Galli, the policy associate for Ipas Brasil, an NGO that fights to give women more say over their health and reproductive rights. "But the Church takes these positions that are so rigid that it ends up weakened. It is very intolerant, and that intolerance is going to scare off more and more followers."Now, abortion is murder. But where was the Archbishop’s equal vociferous condemnation of the rape?
A one sided declaration like this isn’t going to help the Church’s campaign against abortion one little bit.
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wisdomseeker
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the Bishop asked of them not to seek abortion, the doctor also was warned, but they deliberately disobeyed.
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wisdomseeker
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Please! how can we reason with someone who doesnt have the same understanding with us? we cant.
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Bob_Crowley
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If he’s so fair dinkum, where’s his condemnation of the other estimated 1 million abortions in Brazil annually, and where’s his condemnation of the rich getting abortions in private clinics with the collusion of the authorities?
Why pick on a nine year old girl who’s been raped?
As a PR exercise, this is absolutely woeful.
And while I’m against abortion generally, I haven’t got much time for the church’s contraceptive ruling. It reminds me of my old Protestant pastor’s comment, “The church can be pretty stupid at times”.
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Dokimas
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Are you avoiding my questions? They are straight forward wanting a straight forward answer. I can understand if you don’t want to answer them straight forward.
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JRKH
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Do you have access to ALL of the archbishops comments throughout this case? How about ALL of his comments in ALL of his pastoral letters since he has been archbishop?
Or are you basing your comments strictly on what is being said here in this one article on this one case, which happens to have gotten the attention of the press. Perhaps He HAS spoke out about the things you mention above, but just not in this case, or reported in this article.
It’s difficult to say from a single article on a single event just what other steps the archdiocese has taken regarding abortion in general.
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wisdomseeker
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the Church cannot know who is doing or not. or do you think the Church keeps record of who does abortion? she doesnt know who? those who do abortion knowingly have already condemned themselves. the liberals are coming up with all kinds of excuses and explanation to legalize abortion. the signs of our times.
when the Church takes a stand, people will come against it and it is most the liberals that takes advantage of the situation to play the people against the Church.
**Lord increase in numbers those who are faithfull in your Church. **
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Dokimas
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Seems like reasonable questions to me.
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wisdomseeker
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no, Dok, i am not avoid to answer. but you dont have the same understanding as Catholics do. it s a waist of time trying to explain things Catholic to you. just like some people question God about the OT violence against others.
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JRKH
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And might require a review of Everything the archbishop has written and published and not just those items shich the newspaper chose to publish in this particular case.
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Dokimas
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Dokimas
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I can agree with that too. Get the facts and we’ll look at and discuss them. I hope he’s written or spoken much to support your position. On the other hand, your job collecting info may be real easy if what Bob is saying is correct.
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Re: Abortion and religion.
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i thought it was all clear.
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thank you. not everyone can read between the lines.
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