Abortion and Voting

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So…we should all be single issue voters then?
well, yeah. I see your point.
That’s definitely the most rational argument for a citizen of a country who wants to better that country because apparently the only thing affecting that country is abortion. There’s apparently no other morality, social justice, and poverty issues or anything.
I am sure you are a single issue voter. For instance I doubt if you would vote for a canidate with whom you agreed with everythng on except there were for racial segregation. .

The Church teaching(which you claim to know) is very clear. A single issue should not cause us to vote FOR a canidate BUT a single issue, abortion, should cause us to DISQUALIFY a person from recieving our vote.

All the social justice in the world is useless to the one who has been denied the right to life.
 
Is it a mortal sin to vote for anyone, regardless of the political party, who is in favor of abortion? I have researched and cannot get a definate answer. Everyone seems to be dancing around that question.

I myself would never vote for anyone who is pro-abortion no matter what party, however, I have a few catholic friends that I am concerned about who are staunch one political party. I thought if I could get a definate answer from you that might help.

Thank you,
JJ:slapfight:
Pope Benedict XVI, in one of his statements, said one could vote for a pro abortion candidate if there was a proportionate issue that could justify ignoring the intrinsic evils of abortion, euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research and homosexual marriage. This is paraphrased by me, but after looking at all the issues surrounding this past election, reading the statements of several Bishops, such as Chaput, Finn, Hermann, Martino, Rigali and Archbishop Burke, reading the encyclicals Evangelium Vitae and Veritatis Splendor of Pope John Paul II, this is the only conclusion I could logically come to. There were NO proportionate issues on an equal standing with that of abortion and the other intrinsic evils on the docket in this election.

If you have doubts about this, read the statements of the above clergy by going to their websites. You will see they clarified the USCCB Voting directions, Faithful Citizenship, which was a muddled up mess, but led many catholics to believe they could ignore the intrinsic evils that were being supported by bo and his party and vote “their conscience” while not having the slightest idea what a well formed conscience is.
 
Were any of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush senior, Bush junior pro-life?
 
Were any of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush senior, Bush junior pro-life?
Didn’t vote for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, or Bush Sr Voted for Bush Jr.in opposition to Kerry, so the only one I paid attention to was Bush Jr. who was probably the most pro life President we have had. If you haven’t figured it out by now, bo is the most pro abortion, pro death President we have ever had. McCain was the better choice as far as the pro life, conception to death issue was concerned. That to me was of utmost importance when thinking of the moral health of this nation.

I didn’t get interested in the pol. field until this past election. Shame on me.
 
Were any of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush senior, Bush junior pro-life?
So…we should all be single issue voters then?
well, yeah. I see your point.
That’s definitely the most rational argument for a citizen of a country who wants to better that country because apparently the only thing affecting that country is abortion. There’s apparently no other morality, social justice, and poverty issues or anything.
So did you honestly take ALL the other issues into consideration during this past election when you voted? Did you consider ALL of them to be EQUALLY important and vote with that consideration in mind? I hope you realize that if one of those issues was of more importance to you, no matter how infinitesimally small that differrence was from the rest of the issues, you are considered a ONE ISSUE voter.
 
Didn’t vote for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, or Bush Sr Voted for Bush Jr.in opposition to Kerry, so the only one I paid attention to was Bush Jr. who was probably the most pro life President we have had. If you haven’t figured it out by now, bo is the most pro abortion, pro death President we have ever had. McCain was the better choice as far as the pro life, conception to death issue was concerned. That to me was of utmost importance when thinking of the moral health of this nation.

I didn’t get interested in the pol. field until this past election. Shame on me.
So what’s the point in voting for a declared pro-life candidate if they do not intend to try to get abortion abolished. All a candidates issues should be taken into consideration. Did you not think that maybe the so-called pro-life candidates are simply saying they are pro-life to get votes and like other Republicans in the past have done absolutely nothing to get the abortion laws changed because it was never their intention.

In the case of McCain, what did he say during his campaign about trying to change the abortion laws. Absolutely nothing. For me someone who simply claims to be pro-life to get votes but with no intention of doing anything about it is only marginally worse than someone who is pro-abortion. Therefore I contend that ALL a candidates policies should be taken into account before voting.
 
You wont argue your points because they are not supportable by the teachings of the Church. You have to ask yourslef-does your faith form your politics or does your politics form your faith?
Or…I wont argue them because they are supported by the teachings of the Church but very few people will want to push past their preconceived notions to realise that.

–shrug–
 
I am sure you are a single issue voter. For instance I doubt if you would vote for a canidate with whom you agreed with everythng on except there were for racial segregation. .

The Church teaching(which you claim to know) is very clear. A single issue should not cause us to vote FOR a canidate BUT a single issue, abortion, should cause us to DISQUALIFY a person from recieving our vote.

All the social justice in the world is useless to the one who has been denied the right to life.
not a single issue voter.
and i signed the petition against FOCA, btw.
 
So did you honestly take ALL the other issues into consideration during this past election when you voted? Did you consider ALL of them to be EQUALLY important and vote with that consideration in mind? I hope you realize that if one of those issues was of more importance to you, no matter how infinitesimally small that differrence was from the rest of the issues, you are considered a ONE ISSUE voter.
Yes, I took all other issues into consideration this past election.
I did not consider them equal simply because it was different issues – you can’t always compare apples with oranges.

And I don’t understand how a culmination of all issues makes me still a “one issue voter”.
 
So what’s the point in voting for a declared pro-life candidate if they do not intend to try to get abortion abolished. All a candidates issues should be taken into consideration. Did you not think that maybe the so-called pro-life candidates are simply saying they are pro-life to get votes and like other Republicans in the past have done absolutely nothing to get the abortion laws changed because it was never their intention.

In the case of McCain, what did he say during his campaign about trying to change the abortion laws. Absolutely nothing. For me someone who simply claims to be pro-life to get votes but with no intention of doing anything about it is only marginally worse than someone who is pro-abortion. Therefore I contend that ALL a candidates policies should be taken into account before voting.
you took the words out of my mouth.
I can say so much more about this but that’s going to get us no where.
 
So what’s the point in voting for a declared pro-life candidate if they do not intend to try to get abortion abolished. All a candidates issues should be taken into consideration. Did you not think that maybe the so-called pro-life candidates are simply saying they are pro-life to get votes and like other Republicans in the past have done absolutely nothing to get the abortion laws changed because it was never their intention.
Demonstrably false-the usual rationalization for those who claim to be pro-life but support pro-abortion canidates.

Can you name one member of the Magestrium that said there were proportionate reasons to vote for Obama? i can give you quotes from over 100 bishops (and the Pope) saying there were not.
In the case of McCain, what did he say during his campaign about trying to change the abortion laws. Absolutely nothing. For me someone who simply claims to be pro-life to get votes but with no intention of doing anything about it is only marginally worse than someone who is pro-abortion. Therefore I contend that ALL a candidates policies should be taken into account before voting.
McCaim proimised to keep the Mexico City policy in effect-Obama overturned it on his third day in office,… this will account for the deaths of 10s of thousands of children overseas. The last time these funds were available(under Clinton) they were used, in addition to pay to ill children, to forcibly sterilize 90,000 women in Peru.

You have helped empower the most pro-abortion extrmist to ever become President of the United States. Children overseas are already dying because of your vote.
 
not a single issue voter.
and i signed the petition against FOCA, btw.
A petition that would not have been necessary had you not helped put Obama in office. And what did you do to stop the renewed funding of overseas abortions? Or do aborted children of who lived in foreign nations not count when one is a “pro-life” Obama supporter?
 
It’s not about republican or democrat, it is about issues Nixon was different than Reagan. I feel Obama has a publicly stated policy that is I**ntrinsically **Evil on so many issues, gay marriage, abortion, willing to overturn Mexico City policy, enact FOCA, Planned Parenthood support (guess he did not get the weeds comment from Margaret Sanger), I’m sure prayer in school will not come up and many others that when I read the positions I changed my vote…even though I think he is smart, great talker and could change America, he just has the wrong views on some key points for me. I think he could be a great President and I send him many emails! whitehouse.gov/contact/

I’m sure worldwide his actions will account for 3-7 million babies aborted per year. The number is staggering.
 
So what’s the point in voting for a declared pro-life candidate if they do not intend to try to get abortion abolished. All a candidates issues should be taken into consideration. Did you not think that maybe the so-called pro-life candidates are simply saying they are pro-life to get votes and like other Republicans in the past have done absolutely nothing to get the abortion laws changed because it was never their intention.

In the case of McCain, what did he say during his campaign about trying to change the abortion laws. Absolutely nothing. For me someone who simply claims to be pro-life to get votes but with no intention of doing anything about it is only marginally worse than someone who is pro-abortion. Therefore I contend that ALL a candidates policies should be taken into account before voting.
Although McCain didn’t come out and state he was 100% pro life, he did vote for the ban on partial birth abortion while bo DID NOT, 3 or 4 times, in fact. Once wasn’t enough for this amoral man. McCain DID say he believed life began at conception. bo, doesn’t know, in spite of his “elite” education. Could it be he wanted to make sure he had all those votes from the abortion field and the fence sitters of the Catholic Church. Naaaah! He wasn’t playing for votes at all.

bo gave his promise to PP that he would sign the bill for FOCA. This will probably be partitioned into several other passable bills. bo has already rescinded the Mexico City policy and our federal taxes are now funding international abortions. WHAT A LEGACY!!.

My vote went to the man, who although did not promise to overturn Roe vs. Wade, did give we pro life (from conception to death) people the hope we would have pro life judges filling in the vacancies that are coming up in the Supreme Court in the future.bo has promised he would see to it ONLY PRO ABORTION judges are placed. My vote went to the man who DIDN’T promise he would see to it that unborn babies can be aborted at will by their mothers.

As far as “thinking” Catholics should not be one issue voters, let’s interpret Pope Benedict’s statement to read ( from my #22 post of this thread). “Pope Benedict XVI, in one of his statements, said one could vote for a pro abortion candidate if there was a proportionate issue that could justify ignoring the intrinsic evils of abortion, euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research and homosexual marriage”. This is paraphrased by me, but after looking at all the issues surrounding this past election, reading the statements of several Bishops, such as Chaput, Finn, Hermann, Martino, Rigali and Archbishop Burke, reading the encyclicals Evangelium Vitae and Veritatis Splendor of Pope John Paul II, this is the only conclusion I could logically come to. There were NO proportionate issues on an equal standing with that of abortion and the other intrinsic evils on the docket in this election.

If you have doubts about this, read the statements of the above clergy by going to their websites. You will see they clarified the USCCB Voting directions, Faithful Citizenship, which was a muddled up mess, but led many catholics to believe they could ignore the intrinsic evils that were being supported by bo and his party and vote “their conscience” while not having the slightest idea what a well formed conscience is.

Unfortunately, I think many Catholics who voted for bo read what they wanted to read, which was the USCCB, Faithful Citizenship, which was confusing beyond all get out, said, “Hey, I was thinking of voting for bo, and this proves I can.” They made a very serious moral error.
 
Yes, but I would want my excuse for voting for a pro-abortion candidate to be one that would convince an aborted baby. If I couldn’t find one, then I wouldn’t vote for a pro-abortion candidate.
Wow, you have just shown me again why I am convinced you are the wisest woman I know! ❤️
 
Demonstrably false-the usual rationalization for those who claim to be pro-life but support pro-abortion canidates.

Can you name one member of the Magestrium that said there were proportionate reasons to vote for Obama? i can give you quotes from over 100 bishops (and the Pope) saying there were not.

McCaim proimised to keep the Mexico City policy in effect-Obama overturned it on his third day in office,… this will account for the deaths of 10s of thousands of children overseas. The last time these funds were available(under Clinton) they were used, in addition to pay to ill children, to forcibly sterilize 90,000 women in Peru.

You have helped empower the most pro-abortion extrmist to ever become President of the United States. Children overseas are already dying because of your vote.
Think before you open your mouth!! I’m not American and I don’t live in America.
I’m simply trying to understand why any American would vote for a candidate of a party based on one issue only when his party has spent 8 years destroying America. How many Americans in the past 8 years have become impoverished and died because of the Republican policies.
 
Every single law restricitng abortion has come thorugh the efforts of the Republicans over the fierce oppostion of the Democrat party.
That may be true if you believe the papers, but how many abortions have the Republicans actually prevented? They caused the damage so how do you expect all them to return all the horses back to the barn, so to speak? They need to do more to become credible; mere talk and political maneuvering will not cut it. So far, Ron Paul is the only one with any credibility, but he wasn’t even allowed to talk at the RNC. I rest my case.
 
So the Republican policies have not destroyed your country? You mean your economy is great shape, unemployment is low, people can pay their mortgages, people have not become impoverished or died? I’m eager to hear you tell me how well the country has done under the Republicans.
 
McCain was the better choice as far as the pro life
Sorry but anyone who can justify the killing of children, the elderly, and pregnant women (and their babies) in wartime activities has no business talking about how he’s so pro-life.
 
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