Abortion and Voting

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JKing said:
Don’t lose hope! Every year that goes by more of those great young priests are coming out of the (reformed!) seminaries. And every year that goes by more of that generation of priests that were so poorly formed in the 60’s and 70’s are retiring or (God help them) dying. Slowly, the turnover will begin to have an affect. The aging hippies will lose their grip and the Roe survivors, the JPII generation will take over and then the Church will have the impact on American society that we should have been having for the past century.
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Jeff 👍 …I am waiting to live in this time!
 
thistle said:
Think before you open your mouth!! I’m not American and I don’t live in America.
I’m simply trying to understand why any American would vote for a candidate of a party based on one issue only when his party has spent 8 years destroying America. How many Americans in the past 8 years have become impoverished and died because of the Republican policies.
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I know I’m a little late to the thread, but, Thistle, there is only one issue to consider when voting. Life. What are we without it??? It is our first inalienable right and without life, a decent economy doesn’t much matter.
 
JKing said:
Don’t lose hope! Every year that goes by more of those great young priests are coming out of the (reformed!) seminaries. And every year that goes by more of that generation of priests that were so poorly formed in the 60’s and 70’s are retiring or (God help them) dying. Slowly, the turnover will begin to have an affect. The aging hippies will lose their grip and the Roe survivors, the JPII generation will take over and then the Church will have the impact on American society that we should have been having for the past century.

God bless.
Jeff
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Thanks for the inspiration. I needed that.👍
 
estesbob said:
Thnak you for your rather muddeld opinion(the USC Supreme court enacted Roe V Wade-not the republicna party). I am still wating for you to reconcile your opinion with the teachings of the Church. If you believe that politics are more important than faith just say so and we can move on to other things-like how the Rockets got blown out by a mediocre team last night.
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Today is the day- the covenant between God and man is as simple as yes and no, so you have free will, free press, free vote,alot of freedoms, so go back to the will,to morally chose between right and wrong is not a divided question when one’s spirit is alive and away from the world and worldly views your desire becomes Holy (magnificat), Intelectuals miss the mark, because they are against the spirit,who dosent Love thier children?
 
RosaryFan said:
I know I’m a little late to the thread, but, Thistle, there is only one issue to consider when voting. Life. What are we without it??? It is our first inalienable right and without life, a decent economy doesn’t much matter.
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This would be a small world without Mother’s there would be noone in it…👍
 
Boxcar said:
Today is the day- the covenant between God and man is as simple as yes and no, so you have free will, free press, free vote,alot of freedoms, so go back to the will,to morally chose between right and wrong is not a divided question when one’s spirit is alive and away from the world and worldly views your desire becomes Holy (magnificat), Intelectuals miss the mark, because they are against the spirit,who dosent Love thier children?
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I still have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make.
 
JKing said:
Don’t lose hope! Every year that goes by more of those great young priests are coming out of the (reformed!) seminaries. And every year that goes by more of that generation of priests that were so poorly formed in the 60’s and 70’s are retiring or (God help them) dying. Slowly, the turnover will begin to have an affect. The aging hippies will lose their grip and the Roe survivors, the JPII generation will take over and then the Church will have the impact on American society that we should have been having for the past century.

God bless.
Jeff
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Sounds wonderful, except there are only a teensy-weensy number of men in the Seminary as compared to 40 years ago.
 
syromalabarcath said:
mmm, not really.
I can only think of one person, to this date, who has found a politician who agrees with EVERYTHING that person supports. So to find one, is very hard…and you can vote for someone and not believe in everything they believe in.
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there was once a man who vowed never to taste chiken but each time it is prepared he uses his teeth to share it for the children. indirectly, he has tasted it. so, by voting for someone or a party that supports, you vouche for abortion.
 
RosaryFan said:
Sounds wonderful, except there are only a teensy-weensy number of men in the Seminary as compared to 40 years ago.
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True. Pope B16 has said that the future church would be more faithful, more zealous and more committed, but much smaller.

It’s time for the dead weight to drop off. The time for fence-sitting is almost over. The days of being saints on Sunday and mush on Monday (to quote Fr. Bill Casey) are almost over. The stat of 60,000,000+ Catholics in the US is false. It is more like 6,000,000 that are true and faithful. The rest can just stay on their sofas watching tv garbage, listening to Satan’s lyrics, sacrificing the next generation to the false trinity of Money, Sex and Power while those who profess to love Christ will come under intense persecution and the true saints will come forward and be counted. It’s time to pick sides. Whose side are you on?

St. Max, pray for us.

Jeff
 
syromalabarcath said:
Yeah I can admit it – there’s nothing shameful about my vote, that’s why.
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Hm. The most extreme abortion candidate and socialist in American history…? Scandal after scandal… I would hope you know what the Church teaches on these issues, but I guess not… 🤷
 
JKing said:
True. Pope B16 has said that the future church would be more faithful, more zealous and more committed, but much smaller.

It’s time for the dead weight to drop off. The time for fence-sitting is almost over. The days of being saints on Sunday and mush on Monday (to quote Fr. Bill Casey) are almost over. The stat of 60,000,000+ Catholics in the US is false. It is more like 6,000,000 that are true and faithful. The rest can just stay on their sofas watching tv garbage, listening to Satan’s lyrics, sacrificing the next generation to the false trinity of Money, Sex and Power while those who profess to love Christ will come under intense persecution and the true saints will come forward and be counted. It’s time to pick sides. Whose side are you on?

St. Max, pray for us.

Jeff
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I’m on Christ’s side 🙂 and utterly proud to be so!!
 
davidv said:
Who beside God, the person and their confessor can determine whether a persons “attitude” creates a circumstance of “grave matter” in the case of a vote. I’m not dismissing the guidance provided by our Church. I’m objecting to the automatic “its grave matter” label it is given.

Is there a direct quote in any of this materials that define unequivocally that voting for a pro-abortion candidate is de facto “grave matter”? Or does it, as I suspect, define the combination of circumstances and events that can be considered grave?
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Ioannes Paulus PP. II

Evangelium vitae73.

Abortion and euthanasia are thus crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to “take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law, or vote for it”.98

Now I am sure that skewed theologians such as Kmiac could find a way around this. After all, one wouldn’t be voting directly for the law, but for OTHER social issues. It bogles my mind how many so called catholics fell for this escape clause.

The Church has also stated that in the case of two evils, two candidates who are pro abortion, even then one must vote for the candidate who is “likely” to limit abortions and not influence their growth.

All one has to do is read THE RIGHT STUFF.
 
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