Abortion arguments

[Wrigley]

Hello,

I always get myself in pickles. Can someone help with some of the questions posed to me below on another site?

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Originally Posted by wrigley
Be careful. Just becasue a school claims to be Catholic and even professors and Priests claim to be teaching Catholic teaching some are not. Remember to always consult your Catechism and speak to more Orthodox Priests who aren’t swayed by the secular world morally. None of this may apply to you I just got a feeling from your post that you are getting some bad instruction. Maybe not. Just remeber that things taught in college may sound good, but is it always the best thing for your soul? Like raising children, being nice to your kids isn’t always the best thing for them.

Just becasue a school claims to be Catholic and even professors and Priests claim to be teaching Catholic teaching some are not.
Care to name names?

Remember to always consult your Catechism and speak to more Orthodox Priests who aren’t swayed by the secular world morally.
Speaking of “evil”, from a theological standpoint, assuming that the soul exists before birth, what happens to the immortal soul of the aborted fetus? What does wrigley’s Catechism say?

Anyway, “Catechisms” were flushed along with the “Index **Librorum Prohibitorum” **a long, long time ago.

I can handle the one below. Thanks
The issue of abortion affects no men. Abortion is actually a financially positive event for men.
The issue of abortion affects no women past child-bearing age.
The issue of abortion affects so few child-bearing women that to make it an issue for the general population is ludicrous.
Abortion will never be illegal in America nor should it be.
The male opinion on abortion is irrelevant. It is a medical issue for women.

 

[JudieK]

Oh my… you have certainly opened up a can of worms. I’m sure this has been debated ad nauseum already… but here are a few of my thoughts…

How can you say abortion affects no men? These unborn children have FATHERS. When a father’s offspring dies, it affects them. Half the babies killed are male. Everyone’s affected.

When we value human life so little that we can abort a full-term pre-born baby and throw it in the garbage, that affects us ALL. Our collective soul is damaged. And no life is safe, really. When we get old, we may be next. As soon as we’re inconvenient or costly, we could be offed, too.

Catechisms are hardly outdated. Mine is dogeared and worn from use. Many people’s are. Catholics should live by the teachings of the Church. These are all found in the Catechism, so that makes it an essential guide for us. If you don’t like that, I guess you’re not Catholic!

We can’t compromise here. All human life is sacred. This is what WE believe, and what we work to protect. We look to Jesus on the cross for the model of how to live… to give our lives for others. That means that we don’t kill other people that are inconvenient for us… we do what we have to do to make it work…

If you don’t believe that way… it’s a free country. Why do you wish to convince Catholics otherwise?

 

[mapleoak]

Just becasue a school claims to be Catholic and even professors and Priests claim to be teaching Catholic teaching some are not.
Care to name names?

Can’t help you here due to forum rules.

Remember to always consult your Catechism and speak to more Orthodox Priests who aren’t swayed by the secular world morally.
Speaking of “evil”, from a theological standpoint, assuming that the soul exists before birth, what happens to the immortal soul of the aborted fetus? What does wrigley’s Catechism say?

I don’t know what wrigley’s Catechism says, but the Catholic Church does not claim to know the fate of the aborted and those who die with original sin prior to baptism. It fully entrusts their care and salvation to the Mercy of God.

Anyway, “Catechisms” were flushed along with the “Index **Librorum Prohibitorum” **a long, long time ago.

Totally false. Asking for something to support this statement will put this one to bed right away.

I can handle the one below. Thanks
The issue of abortion affects no men.

Some of the effects of abortion that affect men: Their children are murdered, promotion of irresponsibility, promotion of abuse, and in the case of male aborted children - it directly kills men.

Abortion is actually a financially positive event for men.

He will have to explain this one a little better.

The issue of abortion affects no women past child-bearing age.

The above also apply here.

The issue of abortion affects so few child-bearing women that to make it an issue for the general population is ludicrous.

What makes this statement so absurd and silly is that everyone one whoever existed, including child-bearing women themselves, affect child-bearing women. Since all people proceed from child bearing women, aborting them directly affects child bearing.

Abortion will never be illegal in America nor should it be.

Yes it will be and it should be.

The male opinion on abortion is irrelevant.

This one does not stand up to reason.

It is a medical issue for women.

Murder is not a medical issue.

 

[Wrigley]

Thanks Maple Oak