Abortion, Catholic Church, and CSI

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It is perfectly reasonable to ask if a teaching is ex cathedra without confusing the ordinary magisterium issue. The more important issue Roman Army and others were after and not addressed so far are the actual papal quotes and context.

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Have a look at This page to see some of the history of acceptance of abortion by Christians.

Since it violates the commandment not to kill the matter should be pretty simply clear. Especially with respect to the innocent:

Numbers 35:33 Defile not the land of your habitation, which is stained with the blood of the innocent: neither can it otherwise be expiated, but by his blood that hath shed the blood of another.

Deuteronomy 19:10 That innocent blood may not be shed in the midst of the land which the Lord thy God will give thee to possess, lest thou be guilty of blood.

This is not rocket science…it’s right there. The ECF didn’t have the medical technology that we have to today and so our society is all the more guilty.
Miserere nobis,
 
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Hhmm,
Seems kinda contradictory to what others were saying above.
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Not at all. Whether abortion has been condemned “ex cathedra” or not, is not even the issue. In fact, to introduce the subject show a lack of understanding of the magisterium. Some things are patently wrong and have never been formally condemned—like murder and rape. No ex cathedra pronouncements on those, either.

Some sins are just so patently wrong, they don’t need to be defined as such. Abortion has always been one of those sins.
 
I saw that episode!!! I was yelling at the t.v., “THAT IS NOT TRUE, THAT IS NOT TRUE!!!” and saying why…the very reasons I found out from this forum, as a matter of fact. 😃 …My dad (Prot), didn’t care, but, I felt the need to clarify. I was livid and pulled a knee-jerk reaction to what I saw.
 
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LutheranStudent:
That is, abortion has never been spoken about ex cathedra in Catholic Theology. Therefore, it is not a closed issue for you and it would be wrong to speak about it as wrong.
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dear friend, there are many absolutely closed issues that are not ex cathedra pronouncements… otherwise we would have more than a million dogma!
please, take your time and read the article on delayed animation I posted #34. very clear and illustrative.
 
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LutheranStudent:
All this is well and good, but you are also arguing against yourselves. That is, abortion has never been spoken about ex cathedra in Catholic Theology. Therefore, it is not a closed issue for you and it would be wrong to speak about it as wrong. (I am not saying this because I am in favor of abortion, I just want to point out a degree of hipocracy.)
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I don’t think you are informed enough with regard to Catholic dogmatic theology to say what is or is not a closed issue.

For example, there has never been an ex cathedra pronouncement with regard to the inability to ordain women as priests. Yet this is an infallible doctrine according to the pope. This is not due to an exercise of the infallible solemn magisterium, but due to an exercise of the infallible ordinary universal magisterium, as is the case with abortion. See more on the infallibility of the ordinary universal magisterium, here:
Catholic ordination of women priests? - View

Fr. John Hardon explains:
MAGISTERIUM, ORDINARY. The teaching office of the hierarchy under the Pope, exercised normally, that is, through the regular means of instructing the faithful. These means are all the usual channels of communication, whether written, spoken, or practical. When the ordinary magisterium is also universal, that is, collectively intended for all the faithful, it is also infallible.
(Fr. John Hardon, Catholic Pocket Dictionary)
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LutheranStudent:
All this is well and good, but you are also arguing against yourselves. That is, abortion has never been spoken about ex cathedra in Catholic Theology. Therefore, it is not a closed issue for you and it would be wrong to speak about it as wrong. (I am not saying this because I am in favor of abortion, I just want to point out a degree of hipocracy.)
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I don’t know if you missed reading what dave just said at post 37 or you just refuse to recognize his point.

The varying degrees of opinion of catholic theologians was due to the varying degrees of knowlegde about the subject matter. But no matter what it(abortion) still wasn’t acceptable in the church. It still was considered a sin. Their disagreements were on ensoulment not whether abortion was a sin or not.
 
I’ve only recently gotten into CSI: Crime Scene Investigation because Elisabeth Shue is now a part of the cast. However, I am perturbed by the existence of the episode “Secrets and Flies” as well as another one. ("Double Cross"is the name of the latter episode.) Do these two disturbing installments taint the entire series that much?
 
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