Abortion doc George Tiller gunned down at church

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Gertabelle said:
Perhaps we should declare it a national day of prayer and fasting for the end of abortion.
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Great idea!👍

Penance in other forms is also important. I have entertained the idea of “Hot Pepper Penance”.😃
 
This man didn’t give the doctor a chance to repent, something others have done, which is another sin. Also, the pro-life groups have to know in giving very personal information on people involved like this doctor in abortions, address’s and numbers for home/work, etc. that “some kook” might do what they wish would get done. When someone asked a priest this on EWTN, he couldn’t really answer, because you have to know when personal home address’s are on lists posted on sites, the doctor’s family is in danger and these "psychos’ will act. You have to know that. This man wasn’t even safe in church, but what message was this guy trying to give?
 
limerick said:
Originally Posted by** gertabelle **

We must keep this man and his family in our prayers! May god have mercy on his soul, on and the soul of his murderer. And may we allow god to use this event to draw each of us nearer to his sacred heart.

Abortion is murder.

The killing of Dr. Tiller is murder.

I’ll say it again: Abortion is murder.

The killing of Dr. Tiller is murder.

And just in case you missed it, I’ll say it one more time: abortion is murder.

In case you don’t want to see the parallel, the killing of Dr. Tiller is murder.

Speaking the truth in love does not cause people to murder.

Influencing a weak mind with the presumed righteousness of a singular rigid doctrine can easily lead one to carry out a violent act under the guise of righting a “wrong”.

Abortion is murder.

Murder is murder, any way you cut it, whatever the instigating factor.

And as part of the practice of my faith, I will take political, personal, and prayerful actions to bring an end to these murders, your opinion notwithstanding.

What actions? What will they be? Please elaborate.
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I never said the shooting death of Tiller was not murder. I was quite clearly responding to the post by jpm1977 and his/her comments that calling abortion murder had somehow caused the murderer to kill Tiller.

I completely disagree that my actions (praying the rosary outside an abortion clinic, wearing “ten week” feet and hands on my jacket, praying and sacrificing for an end to abortions, not voting for pro-abortion candidates) make me culpable for this man’s murder. Give me a break! Would I also responsible for someone bombing the Atlanta, GA, Olympics because I told my friend I thought the Olympic hype was ridiculous? And would I also responsible for the World Trade Center attacks because I attended public protests on our government’s stand for Israel at all costs?

www.afterabortion.org
www.hopeafterabortion.com
www.rachelsvineyard.org

Tiller was definitely murdered. I also believe capital punishment in this country is murder. And I also believe Tiller himself was a murderer.

And one more time, none of this changes the fact that abortion is murder.

Gertie
 
debraran said:
This man didn’t give the doctor a chance to repent, something others have done, which is another sin. Also, the pro-life groups have to know in giving very personal information on people involved like this doctor in abortions, address’s and numbers for home/work, etc. that “some kook” might do what they wish would get done. When someone asked a priest this on EWTN, he couldn’t really answer, because you have to know when personal home address’s are on lists posted on sites, the doctor’s family is in danger and these "psychos’ will act. You have to know that. This man wasn’t even safe in church, but what message was this guy trying to give?
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This man had nearly 40 years of doing late term abortions. That’s more than enough time to repent.
 
debraran said:
Maybe, but some people have done so even later, abortionists, Klan members, etc. You can’t judge what might have been.
Just one case:
catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0005.html
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My sympathy is with the 60,000 + babies he has killed. I just don’t have any compassion left for him. It would be like feeling bad for a rapist who has died from a disease he contacted from one of his rape victims.

Sacred scripture tells us God doesn’t justify the wicked. Cursed is he who takes reward to shed innocent blood.

I’m just relieved that he won’t be killing any more children.
 
gertabelle said:
I never said the shooting death of tiller was not murder. I was quite clearly responding to the post by jpm1977 and his/her comments that calling abortion murder had somehow caused the murderer to kill Tiller.

I completely disagree that my actions (praying the rosary outside an abortion clinic, wearing “ten week” feet and hands on my jacket, praying and sacrificing for an end to abortions, not voting for pro-abortion candidates) make me culpable for this man’s murder. Give me a break!

I did not point a finger at you specifically. The point is that some people are easily lead, want to please, want to belong to something greater than themselves, and will respond to the most outrageous suggestion in order to find their place.

Would I also responsible for someone bombing the Atlanta, Ga, Olympics because I told my friend i thought the Olympic hype was ridiculous? And would I also responsible for the World Trade Center attacks because I attended public protests on our government’s stand for Israel at all costs?

I’m not troubled by anything you have said, certainly. And the credentials stream was a simple tacit request to dial back your obsession with your dissertation. We’re all equals here. Everybody’s got some kind of credentials.

www.afterabortion.org
www.hopeafterabortion.com
www.rachelsvineyard.org

Tiller was definitely murdered. I also believe capital punishment in this country is murder. And I also believe Tiller himself was a murderer.

And one more time, none of this changes the fact that abortion is murder.
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No, none of this changes anything. That’s part of the problem.**

Gertie

Limerick
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estesbob said:
This Murder has absolutely nothing to do with the pro-life movement. It was the work of a deranged individual who obviously hasn’t a clue as what it means to be pro-life

Roe was very close to be overturned-however the results of the last election make it highly improbable in the near future.
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It can’t be shrugged off that easily - sorry. The over-heated rhetoric of anti-abortion campagners, and their vandalism & suchlike actions, prepared the way for it. I’m not surprised some people don’t want to take responsibility for it - but that’s no surprise. Quite the contrary, in fact.​

Anti-abortionists vandals & authors of threats (Dr.Tiller was the recipient of a lot of hate mail) should be locked up like the thugs they are. Or maybe they intend to bomb a church next ? That’s the logical next step. He was murdered at church, after all.

And what after that ? A successful plot to assassinate the US President ? Nothing would be less surprising. Hate breeds murder, so those who foster hate for pro-choicers are as guilty as if they pull the trigger themselves. 😦
 
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Instead of thinking about scenario after scenario. I think of it this way. One more thing for the proaborts to wine and snivel about, but one less baby killer walking the Earth.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Instead of thinking about scenario after scenario. I think of it this way. One more thing for the proaborts to wine and snivel about, but one less baby killer walking the Earth.
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**I’m a pro-choicer who absolutely refuses to “wine” about this sad incident. If I did I’d lose my sobriety.

Limerick**
 
Chris_LaRock said:
My sympathy is with the 60,000 + babies he has killed. I just don’t have any compassion left for him. It would be like feeling bad for a rapist who has died from a disease he contacted from one of his rape victims.
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Poor analogy. The rapist you speak of in the hypotheitical is not murdered.
Chris_LaRock said:
Sacred scripture tells us God doesn’t justify the wicked. Cursed is he who takes reward to shed innocent blood.
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And it also demonstrates for us that even the most heinous of acts can be forgiven in an instant.
Chris_LaRock said:
I’m just relieved that he won’t be killing any more children.
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Agreed. It is a safe bet that were he alive today he would be doing everything just as he had last week.

It is difficult to feel compassion for this man. But we need to remember that he was a child of God. At some point, he may well have accepted God’s love and repented of the sin that abortion is.
However, this murder removes his ability to repent…forever.
And (assuming things are what they appear) God may not have the joy of being with his child…forever.
 
vz71 said:
Poor analogy. The rapist you speak of in the hypotheitical is not murdered.

True. But the rapist put himself in that position of his own free will.

And it also demonstrates for us that even the most heinous of acts can be forgiven in an instant.

Not when somebody takes pride in their sin and refuses to repent.

Agreed. It is a safe bet that were he alive today he would be doing everything just as he had last week.

Killing viable children, bribing government officials, injuring women with botched abortions because he was under the influence of prescription drugs, baptizing aborted babies before incinerating them…ect.

It is difficult to feel compassion for this man. But we need to remember that he was a child of God. At some point, he may well have accepted God’s love and repented of the sin that abortion is.

Somebody operating under the influence of a reprobate mind, pride in their sin, and the love of money they get from killing is nearly repentance proof.

However, this murder removes his ability to repent…forever.
And (assuming things are what they appear) God may not have the joy of being with his child…forever.
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But what do you do with someone who knows they are doing something evil, and refuses to repent? tiller had an apostate church confirming him in his sin, and I feel the clergy of that church bears some responsibility for his damnation for not compelling him to repent.

The Lord obviously lost patience with him and allowed him to die for a reason.
 
debraran said:
This man didn’t give the doctor a chance to repent, something others have done, which is another sin. Also, the pro-life groups have to know in giving very personal information on people involved like this doctor in abortions, address’s and numbers for home/work, etc. that “some kook” might do what they wish would get done. When someone asked a priest this on EWTN, he couldn’t really answer, because you have to know when personal home address’s are on lists posted on sites, the doctor’s family is in danger and these "psychos’ will act. You have to know that. This man wasn’t even safe in church, but what message was this guy trying to give?
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But didn’t Dr. Tiller have the chance to repent? Every day he was faced with the truth and he chose a lie. Apparently, the Lutheran Church ex-communicated him—what does that tell you? (One wonders if the Catholic Church would have been that brave.)

There are a lot of people who actually use the personal addresses to WRITE to these people and try to convince them to repent.
 
turtle18 said:
But didn’t Dr. Tiller have the chance to repent? Every day he was faced with the truth and he chose a lie. Apparently, the Lutheran Church ex-communicated him—what does that tell you? (One wonders if the Catholic Church would have been that brave.)

There are a lot of people who actually use the personal addresses to WRITE to these people and try to convince them to repent.
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I sent gospel tracts to his clinic. People’s sympathies are misplaced as far as this man goes.

“The gunman didn’t give this poor baby killer a chance.”

Did this unrepentant child killer extend any mercy toward the 60,000 + babies he deliberately killed? NO!:mad:

tiller simply reaped what he had been sowing. He lived by the sword, and died by the sword. (figuratively speaking)
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
I’m wondering how you’ve arrived at the statistical probability of “zero” for overturning Roe v. Wade, especially given the fact that for the first time in 15 years, the majority of Americans polled by Gallup self-identified as pro-life.
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Obama…Supreme Court nominee

Connect the dots. 😦
 
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