Abortion doc George Tiller gunned down at church

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limerick said:
I’m a pro-choicer who absolutely refuses to “wine” about this sad incident. If I did I’d lose my sobriety.

Limerick
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I’m more concerned with the defenseless babies he murdered than him. Iv’e always considered the right to life of the unborn more important than an adult’s right to anything, especially convenience or anything else.
 
aspawloski4th said:
I’m more concerned with the defenseless babies he murdered than him. Iv’e always considered the right to life of the unborn more important than an adult’s right to anything, especially convenience or anything else.
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Ever since I was 11 years old I’ve abhorred the necessity for explaining a joke.

“Wine”. “Whine”. You still don’t get it … do you?

Those defenseless babies you talk about - where are they now? Since Limbo is a done deal and shoved to the back of the closet, the souls of the babies must then be with God. Why be “concerned” for them? They’ve got it made in the shade, at least according to Catholic doctrine as I understand it.

Dr. Tiller’s fate must be very different. As a practicing Catholic, don’t you find it more appropriate and more compassionate to be concerned about his** soul?

Limerick
 
Chris_LaRock said:
The Lutheran Church excommunicated tiller as an unrepentant sinner, and he simply joined a liberal wing of Lutheranism that supports abortion.

Sorry, but I don’t feel bad about his death. This is a man who would kill viable children in the womb and then “baptize” their dead bodies before putting them into his incinerator.
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**Please document the veracity of this statement. Not “he said, she said”. Verifiable documentation.

Thanks.**
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Limerick**
 
limerick said:
Those defenseless babies you talk about - where are they now? Since Limbo is a done deal and shoved to the back of the closet, the souls of the babies must then be with God. Why be “concerned” for them? They’ve got it made in the shade, at least according to Catholic doctrine as I understand it.
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Your understanding of Catholic doctrine is quite mistaken. Here is one example among others:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - 1261:
As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
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A far cry from assurance of salvation, which would be rather presumptuous.
 
mapleoak said:
Your understanding of Catholic doctrine is quite mistaken. Here is one example among others:

A far cry from assurance of salvation, which would be rather presumptuous.
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**If the mercy of God is truly mercy and not just scorekeeping, He will take these souls under His wing.

And unless you’ve been to the afterlife and are now back to report your findings, I’m going to believe in the tender mercies of God.

Limerick**
 
aspawloski4th said:
I’m more concerned with the defenseless babies he murdered than him. Iv’e always considered the right to life of the unborn more important than an adult’s right to anything, especially convenience or anything else.
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People are the product of the world we live in. The world has more compassion for murderers than for those who are murdered.
 
limerick said:
Ever since I was 11 years old I’ve abhorred the necessity for explaining a joke.

"Wine". “Whine”. You still don’t get it … do you?

Those defenseless babies you talk about - where are they now? Since Limbo is a done deal and shoved to the back of the closet, the souls of the babies must then be with God. Why be “concerned” for them? They’ve got it made in the shade, at least according to Catholic doctrine as I understand it.

Dr. Tiller’s fate must be very different. As a practicing Catholic, don’t you find it more appropriate and more compassionate to be concerned about his soul?

Limerick
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If he goe’s to where most us think he’s going. I just say serves him right!. So actually I not a bit concerned for his soul at all. He made his bed now he has to lay in it. But as for the babies, the thing Im concerned about is their suffering while a butcher like him is aborting them, yes they do suffer. Ever watch the movie " the Silent Screem"? Im concerned those babies suffered un deserved pain while being aborted. As for that doctor, quite frankly I hope he suffers for eternity. Abortion is the ultimate crime that one human can do to another.
 
turtle18 said:
But didn’t Dr. Tiller have the chance to repent? Every day he was faced with the truth and he chose a lie. **Apparently, the Lutheran Church ex-communicated him—what does that tell you? (One wonders if the Catholic Church would have been that brave.) **

There are a lot of people who actually use the personal addresses to WRITE to these people and try to convince them to repent.
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Actually this stateament is unfair. The Catholic Church has already stated that those who engage in this horrible crime against humanity are excommunicated. There is no need for the public proclamation.

The Church is very careful not to air a person’s sin. This is part of her compassion and her hope in the return of her prodigal sons and daughters.

Nonetheless, it is a publicly known fact that abortion incurs an automatic excommunication.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
While the Church can excommunicate, the reality is that the person excommunicates him/herself with no action required by the Church.

A culture of death has claimed another soul. As we must see Jesus in everyone, He who exists in everyone, another death results in a loss to the Body Of Christ.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
The Lutheran Church excommunicated tiller as an unrepentant sinner, and he simply joined a liberal wing of Lutheranism that supports abortion.

Sorry, but I don’t feel bad about his death. This is a man who would kill viable children in the womb and then “baptize” their dead bodies before putting them into his incinerator.
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That is an unfair characterization of the Lutheran Church which he belonged to. It is liable, the ELCA does not condone abortion. Does it have a different social statement than the Missouri Synod? Yes. But it does not condone abortion, it grieves the choice, archive.elca.org/socialstatements/abortion/ I invite you to read the ELCA social statement. I know it will not suffice for some, but it is a thoughtful document. I was an adopted child, and thank God I had the chance to live and grow up in a loving supportive family, but the extreme upheaval my birth brought to my family with the loss of mother who ran away due to undiagnosed post partem depression, and no social services at that time to help my hard working father keep all six of us children together stings me deeply. Through God’s grace I could see (although this was before it was legal) or understand why a different decision could have been made. I write this personal message to bear witness to the anguish a mother and a father and a family went through when in so many ways the community turned its back on them, except to point fingers and say “A man who can’t control himself” and “She’s just a bad mother”. May God enlighten you to open your eyes to your neighbor and to fully research your statements before you post them.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
But what do you do with someone who knows they are doing something evil, and refuses to repent? tiller had an apostate church confirming him in his sin, and I feel the clergy of that church bears some responsibility for his damnation for not compelling him to repent.

The Lord obviously lost patience with him and allowed him to die for a reason.
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How dare you assume what the pastors of this church were doing in their work with their parishoners. How dare you call their church an apostate church. You bear false witness. By the way that makes you an apostate. May you repent. The church is a place where sinners are welcomed! Why? So that they can hear the Law and the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit work the miracle of repentence, the miracle of contrition, the miracle of healing, and finally the miracle of forgiveness. How would it be if a pro-choice person blamed all pro-life people for this crime, esp. the pastors of said people for affirming them in this murder? Or again, do you now give me permission to call whatever denomination you belong to apostate and your pastors because of your sinfullness are responsible for your damnation? It doesn’t make much sense does it? I suspect the Lord would or probably has lost patience with you! “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.” Does that mean anything to you? If not than you belong not to Christ.
 
The whole thing does make us pro-lifers look bad, but you only have only to remember what all those communists did in Russia and spreading to East and S.E. Asia and Latin America with a fury to see who the biggest radical fanatics of history have been. Hitler was into nationalist paganism–like Japan at the time (yet Christians of Germany and Austria turned hateful, not at-peace Buddhists and peaceful native religion worshippers turned hateful, get the black mark in the minds of most).

Not many months ago, a minister was shot a few times at a church. Will anti-religious types get accused, as a whole, because of one man? Nope? Despite that, Obama and the gang’s radical left-wing bills and Connecticut’s trying to impose secular management upon the Church in the state, only conservative Christians will be the ticking time-bombs that will kill if we can’t change the law. We shouldn’t feel on the defensive about this killing of George Tiller.

It’s still scandalous, but, in old days, heavy punishment could come to one just for (we say “just for” these days, unfortunately) blasphemy–and rightly so. Tiller killed multimillions in the worst way. He was a domestic terrorist, but justice should only come to him directly from God or by justice God gives authority to some to use in His place.
 
motstraumen said:
That is an unfair characterization of the Lutheran Church which he belonged to. It is liable, the ELCA does not condone abortion.
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And yet they had a high profile late term abortionist as an usher in their church? A man who killed viable unborn children and baptized their corpses before incinerating them? :rolleyes:
 
Chris_LaRock said:
And yet they had a high profile late term abortionist as an usher in their church? A man who killed viable unborn children and baptized their corpses before incinerating them? :rolleyes:
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**Are you going to continue to ignore the request that you provide verifiable documentation for this allegation?

Limerick**
 
foolishmortal said:
The whole thing does make us pro-lifers look bad, but you only have only to remember what all those communists did in Russia and spreading to East and S.E. Asia and Latin America with a fury to see who the biggest radical fanatics of history have been. Hitler was into nationalist paganism–like Japan at the time (yet Christians of Germany and Austria turned hateful, not at-peace Buddhists and peaceful native religion worshippers turned hateful, get the black mark in the minds of most).

Not many months ago, a minister was shot a few times at a church. Will anti-religious types get accused, as a whole, because of one man? Nope? Despite that, Obama and the gang’s radical left-wing bills and Connecticut’s trying to impose secular management upon the Church in the state, only conservative Christians will be the ticking time-bombs that will kill if we can’t change the law. We shouldn’t feel on the defensive about this killing of George Tiller.

It’s still scandalous, but, in old days, heavy punishment could come to one just for (we say “just for” these days, unfortunately) blasphemy–and rightly so. **Tiller killed multimillions in the worst way. ** Multimillions? You believe this figure? He was a domestic terrorist, but justice should only come to him directly from God or by justice God gives authority to some to use in His place. **Please elaborate on this cryptic statement.

Limerick**
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limerick:
Originally Posted by gertabelle
We must keep this man and his family in our prayers! May god have mercy on his soul, on and the soul of his murderer. And may we allow god to use this event to draw each of us nearer to his sacred heart.

]NOW LIMERICK POSTED THIS
Abortion is murder.

The killing of Dr. Tiller is murder.

I’ll say it again: Abortion is murder.

The killing of Dr. Tiller is murder.

And just in case you missed it, I’ll say it one more time: abortion is murder.

In case you don’t want to see the parallel, the killing of Dr. Tiller is murder.

Speaking the truth in love does not cause people to murder.

Influencing a weak mind with the presumed righteousness of a singular rigid doctrine can easily lead one to carry out a violent act under the guise of righting a “wrong”.

Speaking your opinion, however, as you have done here, as if you and you alone have complete understanding of what caused this violence and how to stop it – well, that does nothing to bring about the change you wish to see in the world.

So just because your opinion differs from those of us who believe and follow church teaching, that hardly makes the rest of us somehow inferior to your own reasoning

Abortion is murder.

Murder is murder, any way you cut it, whatever the instigating factor.

And as part of the practice of my faith, I will take political, personal, and prayerful actions to bring an end to these murders, your opinion notwithstanding.

NOW LIMERICK’S INQUISITION TYPE QUESTION

What actions? What will they be? Please elaborate.

Gertie (the apparently grumpy graduate student)

Limerick - not grumpy, just dismayed

END OF LIMERICK’S POST.

BEGINNING OF MY POST (STUARTSFEATHER)

Limerick, what is your game,here? You ask Gertie to elaborate on what she will do when she has already stated that she would pray, and other normal legal and sane acts/methods of ending abortion.

Seems to me that all you are trying to do is incite people on this board to make wild threats of action. Could it be that you are nothing more than a stupe for the Godless left fringes of our society?

Face it chum as long as there are people there will be violence and violent means will be used to obtain goals of individuals as well as nations. If you ever thought otherwise then you must be living in Mayberry with Goober.

Do not think for a minute folks that there are not scumbags on this forum that will try and bait you into incriminating statements that could eventually have a jackbooted homeland security goon at your house door.

Stuartsfeather
 
This so called murder was just another late term abortion. It dealt with what the abortionist saw as a problem very well. It is actually a pro-choice issue if you think about it. This person just chose that abortion can be done after birth too, not only before birth. I do not know what abortion supporters are getting angry about. Whereas pro-life people of course feel this is a very very sad and horrible murder. :eek:
 
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