Abortion; Father's "Rights"

[Giggly_Giraffe]

You are speaking in the realm of leadership and morality.

I am speaking in the realm of the constitution: specifically equal protection under the law. Oldcatholicguy made the statement, “As did the woman who is for some reason treated as a legal incompetent/child and not held to be responsible for her actions as the man is”. To this, AnnArbor replied “How so?” I responded to AnnArbor with a solid example of BOTH the man and the woman being EQUALLY drunk, and having EQUAL culpability in the bad and drunken decision to have drunken sex. Are you saying that only men are culpable for their decisions when drunk and women are not?

If women want to be treated as equals in society, then they need to be treated as equals in society, not only when it benefits them.

I am speaking of how men are created by the Creator who puts it in their being to wanttolead … Not as feminists want it. Equally drunk still is baby steps to necrophillia for both the man and the woman. Its a disorder few will admit to, but becomes more common as drunken sex becomes drugged sex, then the next steps, and next until the shock factor will allow full blown necrophillia … Problematic more to the males, but also problematic for a few females.

What I am saying is men are created to want to lead, but when it comes to taking responsability (as in the care for offspring) they are shirking due to the cultures pushing all reproductive control onto the female. (BCP’s, abortion, and trapping men through porno). These all have reduced any power for a man to little. My suggestion ask men to rise up and reach rise to the control they desire … As specified by OP’s questioning of why women get out of responsability through abortion.

 

[Buckeyeboy]

Hi,

Can a “father” abort his rights to be a father as a mother aborts the child?

No!! I live in the 6th Circuit, Ohio, and have this case in my head;

Relevant snip; page 5;

Dubay cannot prevail under any of these equal protection theories. First, strict scrutiny does not apply because the Michigan Paternity Act does not affect any of Dubay’s fundamental rights in N.E. v. Hedges, we found that the right to privacy, articulated in the Supreme Court’s substantive due process jurisprudence, does not encompass a right to decide not to become a parent after conception and birth. 391 F.3d 832, 835 (6th Cir. 2004). See also Rivera v. Minnich, 483 U.S. 574, 580 (1987) (finding that a “putative father has no legitimate right and certainly no liberty interest in avoiding financial obligations to his natural child that are validly imposed by state law”). In doing so, we explicitly rejected the argument, which Dubay raises in his brief, that “fairness”dictates that men should receive a right to disclaim fatherhood in exchange for a woman’s right to abortion.3

ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/07a0442p-06.pdf

Here is my question, if the Equal Rights Amendment had passed, would that void current case law and a man could then argue the AM also includes aborted rights of support like a woman can abort?

I could here the women now that the ERA does not encompass that protection? Why not? The language of the AM was clear, no disequal treatment on account of sex!

 

[shockerfan]

I am speaking of how men are created by the Creator who puts it in their being to wanttolead … Not as feminists want it. Equally drunk still is baby steps to necrophillia for both the man and the woman. Its a disorder few will admit to, but becomes more common as drunken sex becomes drugged sex, then the next steps, and next until the shock factor will allow full blown necrophillia … Problematic more to the males, but also problematic for a few females.

What I am saying is men are created to want to lead, but when it comes to taking responsability (as in the care for offspring) they are shirking due to the cultures pushing all reproductive control onto the female. (BCP’s, abortion, and trapping men through porno). These all have reduced any power for a man to little. My suggestion ask men to rise up and reach rise to the control they desire … As specified by OP’s questioning of why women get out of responsability through abortion.

We seem to talking about two different things. Necrophilia is not the point of my post, nor it it about men living up to what the Creator views their role. My point is strictly legal / secular.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

We seem to talking about two different things. Necrophilia is not the point of my post, nor it it about men living up to what the Creator views their role. My point is strictly legal / secular.

Deep breath … It’s a negative word association I have in my head that when I hear, “drunken sex” I am compelled to reveal the little devil that it (drunken sex) leads to, which is necrophillia. In my mind I see how it’s tied to your post, but cannot articulate it well enouhto reveal the truth you need to see the bond. Again, word association peas=>carrots; peanutbutter=>jelly; drunken sex=>necrophillia. Sigh, IMO it’s as dangerious as abortion, but spoken of less … Which ironically, many drunken sexual nights lead to abortion.

 

[styrgwillidar]

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Or to put it more precisely, imagine a woman asking the court to prevent the man from obtaining a vasectomy, or obtaining a prescription.
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Uh, whire I live a man does in fact need his wife’s consent to get a vasectomy. Doctor’s will not perform one without her signing off. Not sure if that’s the law, or simply a reaction to several women successfully suing over not having been informed of their husbands getting vasectomies without their knowledge. A single guy, obviously doesn’t have that issue. I have no idea if there are any laws requiring disclosure in the event a single man with a vasectomy gets married.

 

[seakelp]

Uh, whire I live a man does in fact need his wife’s consent to get a vasectomy. Doctor’s will not perform one without her signing off. Not sure if that’s the law, or simply a reaction to several women successfully suing over not having been informed of their husbands getting vasectomies without their knowledge. A single guy, obviously doesn’t have that issue. I have no idea if there are any laws requiring disclosure in the event a single man with a vasectomy gets married.

Interesting. Where do you live? Sorry, I know that’s a personal question - maybe you could tell me what states have these laws?

 

[Sarcelle]

St Teresa of Calcutta

Your view shows how this cycle of narcissism is spiraling creating a deeper culture of deaththat St Teresa was trying to bring us out of.

The old traditional ways put a heavy emphasis of having the man lead the family. Still today this is upheld as hope for the family. When men fail to take responsability they forfeit that respect from men and women. More embarrassing for the maniswhen theyneed someone who will call them on their immaturity and force them to do what is right and just. As more and more men are fleeting responsability for their seeds, more and more women are turning to abortion, and failed families.

Can a man sever his right to future children? I suppose he could get circumsizex; which again the Catholic faith teaches is a mortal sin for the same spiraling reason quoted by St. Teresa of Calcutta.

I think you mean vasectomized.

Circumcision is not sin according to the Catholic church…

Vasectomy is.

 

[styrgwillidar]

Interesting. Where do you live? Sorry, I know that’s a personal question - maybe you could tell me what states have these laws?

It was in California a few years back. A couple of co-workers were talking about having the same problem- they couldn’t find a doctor who would perform a vasectomy without the wife signing a consent form. I don’t know if that was the law, or some kind of policy/regulation of the medical community at the time. I’ve since heard several folks mention it, but again, I don’t know whether it’s a legal issue or a policy/ethics issue within the medical services.

 

[randomusername]

Deep breath … It’s a negative word association I have in my head that when I hear, “drunken sex” I am compelled to reveal the little devil that it (drunken sex) leads to, which is necrophillia. In my mind I see how it’s tied to your post, but cannot articulate it well enouhto reveal the truth you need to see the bond. Again, word association peas=>carrots; peanutbutter=>jelly; drunken sex=>necrophillia. Sigh, IMO it’s as dangerious as abortion, but spoken of less … Which ironically, many drunken sexual nights lead to abortion.

Just stop it. You are the wrong one here. He is clearly talking from a legal perspective while you are talking stuff that means nothing in a legal sense. Stop "sigh"ing and "deep breath"ing as if he’s the one who’s wrong, when hear it is clearly you who are talking about random, unrelated and nonsensical things. “Peas=>carrots” Seriously? That has nothing to do with men and women having equal culpability.

“Men are created to want to lead” has nothing to do with equal culpability in the law.