Abortion has been made illegal! What happens now?

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We have fought, campaigned, and argued for many years and finally we have won. All forms of abortion have been banned in the USA and the United Kingdom!

Women can no longer murder their own children because children would be inconvenient for them. Promiscuous teens now have to deal with the consequences of a sexual relationship. Prostitutes can no longer kill the unwanted babies; pregnancies are no longer classed as an occupational hazard. A lot of innocent lives are saved, and a lot of infertile couples can now adopt the child that they have always wanted. The ban on abortion is hailed as being a great achievement! Most people agree that it should have been done decades ago.

Sarah thought the ban was great; that is, until she was raped and realised that she was pregnant. She didn’t want the baby because she knew the child would be a constant reminder of what happened. Sarah is also worried that the child would resemble it’s father and didn’t want to have to see him on a daily basis. What should she do?

Jane has six children already and finds out that she is pregnant. She has recently been made redundant and can hardly support the children she already has. She knows that she would be unable to care for the new baby, and that the baby would suffer as a result. What should she do?

Mary is the proud mother of a two year old girl. She decided to try for another baby and was extremely happy when she discovered that she was pregnant! However, after the first trimester her doctor told her that the baby only had a ten percent chance of survival. He also told her that there was a strong possibility that she could die during labour. The doctor would prefer to abort the baby but he no longer has the option. What should happen now?

We all know the evils of abortion, but the issue is not as black and white as we would like it to be. If abortion was criminalised, how would we solve problems like the ones listed above?

This is a discussion of the practical consequences of a complete ban on abortion. I am interested in hearing your solutions to some of the problems this would present.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
We have fought, campaigned, and argued for many years and finally we have won. All forms of abortion have been banned in the USA and the United Kingdom!

what can women do if they find themselves facing a problem pregnancy? as they have always done–give it up for adoption, raise it themselves, or have the child raised by a willing family member. non-issue, non sequiter

what can a woman do if her health is threatened? get competent medical treatment that does not have as its goal murder of an innocent human being.

what can a woman do to avoid pregnancy? avoid sex. it is called abstinence. What about rape or incest? tragedies that have happened to women but what woman was ever healed by the murder of an innnocent third party?
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My dear, you clearly have never met anyone in any of those positions.

I have a friend who was raped, and her girl is 21. She says this girl saved her life.

I know people with 6, 7, 8, children, and NO JOBs. Guess what. God takes wonderful care of them. He literally provides for them on a day-to-day basis. It’s actually kind of fun to watch.

Those I know who’ve seen a shaky pregnancy through have come out in great shape-baby and child. Of those who have had to mourn the death of a child, they have experienced great love, consolation and growth in wisdom by the experience.

You are putting your faith in the world, not God.

Do you doubt His love for you, and for others?
 
Oh, and a nation that actively eliminates its own citizens is commiting suicide.

Genocide the law of the land?

No wonder we’re falling apart.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
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Sarah thought the ban was great; that is, until she was raped and realised that she was pregnant. She didn’t want the baby because she knew the child would be a constant reminder of what happened. Sarah is also worried that the child would resemble it’s father and didn’t want to have to see him on a daily basis. What should she do?
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Place the child for adoption
Jane has six children already and finds out that she is pregnant. She has recently been made redundant and can hardly support the children she already has. She knows that she would be unable to care for the new baby, and that the baby would suffer as a result. What should she do?
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Have we outlawed contraception also? However if she has an unwanted pregnancy she can place the child for adoption
Mary is the proud mother of a two year old girl. She decided to try for another baby and was extremely happy when she discovered that she was pregnant! However, after the first trimester her doctor told her that the baby only had a ten percent chance of survival. He also told her that there was a strong possibility that she could die during labour. The doctor would prefer to abort the baby but he no longer has the option. What should happen now?
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I have never seen a proposal that would outlaw abortion when there is a direct threat to the mother’s life.
We all know the evils of abortion, but the issue is not as black and white as we would like it to be. If abortion was criminalised, how would we solve problems like the ones listed above?
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Actually I don’t see problems in any of the above.
This is a discussion of the practical consequences of a complete ban on abortion. I am interested in hearing your solutions to some of the problems this would present.
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The practical consequences would be that our country would no longer allow the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year
 
What is more, health care providers like myself would not be coerced into aiding and abetting such crimes.
 
Here in Ireland abortion is illegal. Your arguments just don’t hold up.

Sarah also knows that the child she is carrying is an innocent victim of the rape. She carries the child because he/she is also part of her.

Jane is already caring for six. Is she married? Lets assume she is recently widowed. Her family rally round to help. Her older kids make less demands.

As for Marys life being at risk, send her over here. Ireland is one of the safest places in the world to give birth. 👍

Don’t forget, abortion hurts and kills mothers too.:mad:
 
At the current birth rates around the world it may only be another few generations and the world will be a much smaller place. Don’t beleive me look it up… birth rates need to be at least 2 to sustain stable population. In many parts of the world it is less than that, that means the global population is set for a decrease… not in crease.

Paul
 
“It’s actually kind of fun to watch”

Yes, and I’m sure it’s “fun” for them too. What don’t you understand about compassion and civilized behavior? Nothing, I would say.
 
Paul2274 said:
At the current birth rates around the world it may only be another few generations and the world will be a much smaller place. Don’t beleive me look it up… birth rates need to be at least 2 to sustain stable population. In many parts of the world it is less than that, that means the global population is set for a decrease… not in crease.

Paul
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That sounds like a good thing to me. We don’t need a sustainable population at the moment. We need a population which can sustain civilization and move forward.
 
estesbob said:
Place the child for adoption

Have we outlawed contraception also? However if she has an unwanted pregnancy she can place the child for adoption

Excellent point. Also, where is the dad in all of this?

I have never seen a proposal that would outlaw abortion when there is a direct threat to the mother’s life.

thanks bob

Actually I don’t see problems in any of the above.

neither do I…and thank you for the correct “verbage”…to “place” a child for adoption…

The practical consequences would be that our country would no longer allow the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year
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Also it would give pause to those who think nothing about hopping into bed together…
 
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*Place the child for adoption

Have we outlawed contraception also? However if she has an unwanted pregnancy she can place the child for adoption

Excellent point. Also, where is the dad in all of this?

I have never seen a proposal that would outlaw abortion when there is a direct threat to the mother’s life.

thanks bob

Actually I don’t see problems in any of the above.

neither do I…and thank you for the correct “verbage”…to “place” a child for adoption…

The practical consequences would be that our country would no longer allow the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year*

Often times that dad shoved out of the picture. I have counseled post abortive men and they generallyfalin the two categories. The first is man that encouraged and supported his partners decision to have an abortion. Often times later he is consumed with guilt but the worst feelings come from the man who wanted his partner to bear the child but she went ahead and an abortion anyway. He is consumed with a profound sorrow at his loss of fatherhood.

Abortion also makes it easy for the father to duck his responsibilities using the excuse that he didnt want the baby anyway , she could have an abortion so is her problem,.

I was always trained to use the terminology “place for adoption” rather than “give up for adoption”. A woman who places her child for adoption is not giving up anything. What she is giving is the opportunity for a childless couple to fulfill God’s plan that they be a family.

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You are clueless, Mr. Adams Apple. These people are joyful, in that they choose their situation and are blessed abundantly by it. You apparently know little or nothing of these things. Grow up a little, and then judge.
 
I once met a young lady who placed her child for adoption and had no problem discussing it with me. She simply said she did not love the father, wasn’t planning on marrying him, and that it was the natural thing to do. She wasn’t emotionally distraught over it. I told her I admired her courage.

Abortion is the path of least resistance, no doubt about it. It is all too eagerly ushered in by those who profit from it.

By the way, the 300 something million out of the billion Planned Parenthood makes comes from you and I. Do you believe for one minute that is passed on to the “customer”? Well, one of my projects was to call around the state and inquire to each office what bargains I could get (for general services, as well as an abortion), Unless I had medicaid, or some other insurance, I had to pay the usual going price. So, all our money is in the coffers for the benefit of PP. Probably pays for those sleazy ads.
 
Abortion is the path of least resistance, no doubt about it.
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I’ve never thought about it like this, but I have to say that you are right. Abortion is the easiest option for selfish people. Those who opt for abortion in favour of adoption probably do so because they don’t want to be linked with that child for the rest of their lives. By this, I mean that they don’t want the possibility of having to deal with the situation if the child ever tries to find them when it grows. Plus, they have to go through the ordeal of giving birth if they decide to put the baby up for adoption.
 
Ceil-1 said:
You are clueless, Mr. Adams Apple. These people are joyful, in that they choose their situation and are blessed abundantly by it. You apparently know little or nothing of these things. Grow up a little, and then judge.
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I’ve seen these families first hand - 5,6, 7 kids - low income, a lot of hardship - no, you are clueless. A rape victim is a victim whether she has the baby or not.

Your idea of “fun” leaves a lot to be desired.
 
adamsapple said:
I’ve seen these families first hand - 5,6, 7 kids - low income, a lot of hardship - no, you are clueless. A rape victim is a victim whether she has the baby or not.
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A rape victims baby is also a victim, an oh so innocent victim. Killing the baby won’t erase the rape. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
 
feargalmac said:
A rape victims baby is also a victim, an oh so innocent victim. Killing the baby won’t erase the rape. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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I don’t endorse the abortion. But none of this is fun for the victims.
And people who choose to have very large families when they can’t afford them are irresponsible. This is the 21st century. God helps those who help themselves.
 
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