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jmcrae
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This is a bit like asking, well, Jesus died for our sins so why was it a sin to crucify Him?
The fact that God brings good out of evil does not mean that it was okay to do the evil act.
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The fact that God brings good out of evil does not mean that it was okay to do the evil act.
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MomMD
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The vatican did make a statement on the “morning after pill”
vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20001031_pillola-giorno-dopo_en.html
vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdlife/documents/rc_pa_acdlife_doc_20001031_pillola-giorno-dopo_en.html
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seekerz
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Not to slow your momentum or anything, but kindly check the topic of this thread. You wouldn’t us to think you were spamming the forum, now would you?
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seekerz
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This statement deals with the morning after pill as generally used, its mode of action and its abortificent effect. It does not seem to address the case where the MAP is administered to rape victims to *prevent *ovulation (after a negative ovulation test).
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duskyjewel
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That’s what I thought too, seekerz. And actually, I think there are some errors there, because the statement says that the primary function of the MAP is to prevent implantation. But since MAP is just an extra super large dose of regular birth control pills, its primary function is the same, and that is suppressing ovulation. One OB even told me that it seems the most effective action of the pill is to thicken the cervical mucus so sperm can’t get into the uterus. So you might have to call that the primary function. But prevention of implantation is and always has been a secondary function of birth control pills, and to say otherwise is either incorrect or dishonest. I would hate to think the Vatican is incorrect… 
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Brendan
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There is one key difference. A simple blood test can determine if ovulation has happend in the last 48 hours ( note that I said ‘ovulation’ not ‘conception’)
If ovulation has not happened in the last 48 hours, a conception is impossible ( you cannot have a conception without the ovum), so the abortive effect of ovulation suppressents has been rendered null.
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JW55
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No one can argue with the suffering and anguish that a woman must to endure who has been through such an experience.
However, we have no way of knowing what athat baby might become or how important that baby is to God’s plan. That baby might have become the person who found the cure for cancer, invented some way to solve the energy crisis problem, president of the United States. Who knows? If aborted we would never know.
I can’t remember which Pope it was but I seem to recall there there was one who’s life was the result of a rape incident. Perhaps someone else would have that information.
The point is every life is important, no matter how it was conceived.
However, we have no way of knowing what athat baby might become or how important that baby is to God’s plan. That baby might have become the person who found the cure for cancer, invented some way to solve the energy crisis problem, president of the United States. Who knows? If aborted we would never know.
I can’t remember which Pope it was but I seem to recall there there was one who’s life was the result of a rape incident. Perhaps someone else would have that information.
The point is every life is important, no matter how it was conceived.
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Chris_LaRock
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So, what is your solution?
Kill the innocent child who didn’t have any say in how they came to exist?
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Chris_LaRock
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True!
It was an all male supreme court that legalized abortion after all. The idea that males have no say in the matter would invalidate Roe v. Wade.
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northstar3
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Indeed. One shouldn’t punish the child for the sin of the father
Deut 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.”
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MomaMary8
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Why is abortion seen as compasionate care for a woman who is a victim of an assult?? Rape her and then rip the child out of her womb?? That is causing her to undergo not one form of torture, but two!
I highly suggest taking a look at this and read the book Victims and Victors. Victims, impregnated by their assaulters speak for themselves.
The pro-abortion advocate must stop using victims of assault as their excuse to support their agenda. It is despicable to claim they are providing compasionate care to woman! UGH!
I highly suggest taking a look at this and read the book Victims and Victors. Victims, impregnated by their assaulters speak for themselves.
The pro-abortion advocate must stop using victims of assault as their excuse to support their agenda. It is despicable to claim they are providing compasionate care to woman! UGH!
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Chris_LaRock
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Do they realise that legalized abortion makes it okay to kill future generations of women before they have even had the chance to be born? How is that forwarding women’s rights?
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rwoehmke
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Try focusing on the child and not the mother or the father. What did this child ever do that it deserves to die? Killing the child is not going to un-rape the mother, nor is it going to punish the father. There is a common emotion that seems to make us think we can undo the original violence by more violence.
Case in point in another sector of life. For decades Israel has been responding to violence with violence. One might think that it is a just response and perhaps it is, but the record shows that the tit-for-tat goes on endlessly. A violent response does not bring peace to countries or individuals. Acting in self defense at the moment of a violent attack is one thing, to avenge one’s self in the after math is quite another.
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Chris_LaRock
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Murderers will always have excuses for why they should get away with killing.Try focusing on the child and not the mother or the father. What did this child ever do that it deserves to die? Killing the child is not going to un-rape the mother, nor is it going to punish the father. There is a common emotion that seems to make us think we can undo the original violence by more violence.
Case in point in another sector of life. For decades Israel has been responding to violence with violence. One might think that it is a just response and perhaps it is, but the record shows that the tit-for-tat goes on endlessly. A violent response does not bring peace to countries or individuals. Acting in self defense at the moment of a violent attack is one thing, to avenge one’s self in the after math is quite another.
The fact that abortion is legal in most countries only proves the human race hasn’t really progressed much since the days of Rome’s blood-soaked arenas. We still have the culture of death with us today.
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Kelli_Gregori
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If Roe vs. Wade is reversed, would the hospitals and doctors still be allowed to provide this treatment to victims?
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seekerz
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Of course they would. Just because someone is raped doesn’t mean they’re pregnant. Someone who is not pregnant can simply use the morning after pill to prevent ovulation from happening.
The problem is hardly ever with a particular medication or procedure, but with the reason for its use.
Which is why I don’t always agree with pharmacists who refuse to dispense certain medications; they do not necessarily possess all the facts (e.g. test results) necessary to make a fully-informed, conscientious objection.
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happynoodlecat
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I have been date raped and was worried about getting pregnant. I’m in college, on an Army scholarship as a nursing student, far far from home. I don’t have the time nor the energy to devote my body’s energies to something that happened because of a powerful man that violated me.** Is it really that selfish to want an abortion when you can hardly take care of yourself?** Would you risk your child’s life for the sake of carrying it to term?
I’d rather have my life at stake for my decision’s. Not mine and a baby’s.
Maybe i’m looking at this from the wrong point of view. Desperation leaves to desperate measures.
but I guess that wouldn’t justify that decision, eh?
I’d rather have my life at stake for my decision’s. Not mine and a baby’s.
Maybe i’m looking at this from the wrong point of view. Desperation leaves to desperate measures.
but I guess that wouldn’t justify that decision, eh?
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wabrams
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Would it not be prudent to err on the side of caution, on the side of life? It is selfish to think of only yourself and not your child’s. Service above self? Ring a bell? I’m a healthcare student as well and the department chair for health sciences told all the programs that the day we started school. It goes beyond what we do in the hospital, but our daily lives as well.I have been date raped and was worried about getting pregnant. I’m in college, on an Army scholarship as a nursing student, far far from home. I don’t have the time nor the energy to devote my body’s energies to something that happened because of a powerful man that violated me.** Is it really that selfish to want an abortion when you can hardly take care of yourself?** Would you risk your child’s life for the sake of carrying it to term?
I’d rather have my life at stake for my decision’s. Not mine and a baby’s.
Maybe i’m looking at this from the wrong point of view. Desperation leaves to desperate measures.
but I guess that wouldn’t justify that decision, eh?
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Kelli_Gregori
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If you are 99% pro-life and 1% anti-abortion - are you still considered a good catholic?
One percent representing the estimated number of abortions performed due to incest and rape. The (1%) anti-abortion side of me would place the mother’s needs ahead of the fetus’s(therefore technically, I cannot be considered pro-life on this one position when considering abortion).
One percent representing the estimated number of abortions performed due to incest and rape. The (1%) anti-abortion side of me would place the mother’s needs ahead of the fetus’s(therefore technically, I cannot be considered pro-life on this one position when considering abortion).
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wabrams
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Irony of it is I have yet to read where it was the woman or the fetus and the woman chose the fetus and died; extreme circumstances withstanding (such as the woman who delayed cancer treatment).
most importantly, whatever happened to prayer and faith in God to handle the situation and guide us in our decisions?
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