Abortion in China

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Does anyone know about the amount of abortion in China? Recently, I had one of my students ask me about the regulation of pregnancy by the Chinese government. I was wondering if anyone knows about a reliable source about this issue. The laws as I understand them are that
  1. mothers must obtain a license to get pregnant,
  2. if their first child is male, they can’t have another,
  3. a second child is only allowed if the first is female, and no more than two is ever allowed. During this class discussion (which was quite a bit off topic, but interesting), students raised a number of points that I couldn’t answer or verify such as:
    -employers must keep track of each female employee’s cycle
    -in some places women must undergo monthly physical exams
    -90% of young women in China have had at least one abortion
    -over 50% of women have had more than one abortion
    -abortion is freely provided by the government
    -most women are required to remain on birth control until the age of 50
    -the projected population of China in forty years will be over 80% men
    Obviously, so much of this breaks my heart, but I was hoping I could get some verification of these statistics (or better yet some repudiation of them), and also a good source for me to consult in the future. I find it ironic that in America abortion is promoted by a woman’s privacy, while in China abortion is furthered by a lack of a woman’s privacy. I find it interesting that, while women are all on birth control, many still get pregnant and are forced to have abortions. And what are the implications of 4 out of 5 people being men? An increase in rape I expect.
 
In China, there is something called “The Emperor Syndrome” where young male children are ridiculously spoiled and overfed, as they are that whole families only child. The children usually suffer from obesity, and are waited on hand and foot.
If you are a girl you are mostly likely to be killed before you are born, or dumped on the streets or even murdered by your own parents so then can try for a boy.
Where the heck are all these people who scream about a women’s right to choose?
Couples need a licence to get pregnant in the first place-these are like gold dust, and as I recall, expire after a year.
NO licence = no baby.
You will be dragged away and forcibly aborted.
If you actually step into the operating room yourself, your abortion is classed as voulntary, even if you were coerced to that point, even if you have no other choice.
 
The fact that there are millions upon millions of males with virtually no hope of finding a mate may have potential military consequences. There’s going to be a lot of men with a lot of energy and no way to express it. Not a good situation.
 
a_priori said:
The fact that there are millions upon millions of males with virtually no hope of finding a mate may have potential military consequences. There’s going to be a lot of men with a lot of energy and no way to express it. Not a good situation.
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oh they find mates…they come to the US or Europe and marry the locals:)
 
papaspicy said:
Does anyone know about the amount of abortion in China? Recently, I had one of my students ask me about the regulation of pregnancy by the Chinese government. I was wondering if anyone knows about a reliable source about this issue. The laws as I understand them are that
  1. mothers must obtain a license to get pregnant,
  2. if their first child is male, they can’t have another,
  3. a second child is only allowed if the first is female, and no more than two is ever allowed. During this class discussion (which was quite a bit off topic, but interesting), students raised a number of points that I couldn’t answer or verify such as:-employers must keep track of each female employee’s cycle
-in some places women must undergo monthly physical exams

-90% of young women in China have had at least one abortion

-over 50% of women have had more than one abortion

-abortion is freely provided by the government

-most women are required to remain on birth control until the age of 50

-the projected population of China in forty years will be over 80% menObviously, so much of this breaks my heart, but I was hoping I could get some verification of these statistics (or better yet some repudiation of them), and also a good source for me to consult in the future. I find it ironic that in America abortion is promoted by a woman’s privacy, while in China abortion is furthered by a lack of a woman’s privacy. I find it interesting that, while women are all on birth control, many still get pregnant and are forced to have abortions. And what are the implications of 4 out of 5 people being men? An increase in rape I expect.
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I would recommend checking out the Population Research Institute’s website (a pro-life Catholic organization) that has done extensive study on the abortion situation in China. The link is www.pop.org
 
I found this article by Steven Mosher president of PRI entitled, " China’s Persecution of Women and Children: More of the Same". (The LifeIssuesNet website is easier to navigate than the PRI website. 😉 IMHO)
Depending on the region, Chinese couples are allowed to have one or occasionally two children. That’s it. Any woman who has more than her quota faces heavy “social compensation fees” Ñ up to ten times annual household income in China Ñ and often the following: loss of employment, loss of some health care coverage and educational opportunities for her children, imprisonment, forced abortion, and legally mandated sterilization. Her husband faces the same with the exception of the last two. China, with approximately one-fifth of the world’s people, has 56% of the world’s female suicides Ñ and participants in the hearings said that they believed that the one - child policy contributes to that statistic. The World Bank estimates that Chinese women’s suicide rate is five times the world average. “Five hundred women a day commit suicide in China,” said Smith
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lifeissues.net/writers/mos/mos_34chinapersecution.html
 
Papaspicy, I can’t verify this statement either:
[sign]the projected population of China in forty years will be over 80% men[/sign]

But I did find this:
China is missing girls, 40 to 60 million of them, which will leave an equal number of young Chinese men without wives. Chinese couples, allowed to have only one or two children, abort girls in the womb in order to try for boys later. Boys are preferred for traditional cultural reasons, because they support their parents in their old age (girls become part of their husbands families when they marry), because they extend the family line, and because in rural areas, they can perform more labor. Between 117 and 119 boys are now born in China for every 100 girls when naturally speaking, 105 boys should be born for every 100 girls (Mother Nature prefers boys by 5%). The Chinese government has announced plans to eliminate the new disparity between male and female births by 2010…
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lifeissues.net/writers/mos/mos_38impediment.html
 
even in the book by Pearl Buck called “The Good Earth” female children weren’t treated fairly. When a girl was born, the mother said “its just a slave” (paraphrasing since I read the book about 10 years ago).

I know they are forced to abort if they are having a girl and some women have been forced to abort just days before she would give birth. There are also forced sterilizations as well.
 
What about forced abortions and sterilization?
From a Time article, Enemies of the State Sept.2005
Relatives of women who resisted sterilization or abortion were detained and forced to pay for “study sessions” in which they had to admit their “wrong thinking,” says Teng Biao, an instructor at the China University of Political Science and Law in Beijing, who visited Linyi last month to investigate the coercive campaign. In the Linyi county of Yinan alone, at least 7,000 people were forced to undergo sterilization between March and July, according to lawyers who spoke with local family-planning officials. Several villagers, the lawyers allege, were beaten to death while under detention for trying to help family members avoid sterilization.
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time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1103579,00.html
 
This isn’t going to give you recent statistics, but I recommend reading A Mother’s Ordeal. I think it’s by Mosher, and it gives a personal account of the reigning of communism and the whole population/abortion issue. It’s eye-opening and reminds you of how China really is, instead of the sugar-coated version you hear about or will see if you tour.
 
U.S. Department. of State, “Country Reports on Human Rights Practices” China found :
…“The Government [of China] continued to implement its coercive policy of restricting the number of children a family could have.”(2) In one province, instances of coercive sterilization “increased significantly.” In another province, rules state that “unplanned pregnancies must be aborted immediately.” In another region, physical force by local family planning officials is used to carry out coercive abortion.
Country-wide, coercive methods include:
  1. threat of job loss,
  2. demotion,
  3. fines,
  4. psychological pressure,
  5. withholding social services,
  6. confiscation and destruction of property and
  7. coercive tactics levied against local officials and work units, “creating multiple sources of pressure.”…
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lifeissues.net/writers/mos/mos_14abortionchina.html

This article makes it clear contraception is a must for all Chinese women of reproductive age.😦
 
This review of Steven Mosher’s book, The War on People illustrates how the above mentionned coercive measures are implemented. Note the effective use of peer pressure.
… in 1988 that it [Heilongjiang province] was partially relaxing the one-child policy in the villages, but only if everyone cooperated. Rural couples whose first child was a boy would still have to stop at one. Couples whose first child was a girl would get a second chance at a male heir, but on one condition: There could be absolutely no unauthorized births in their village.Neighboring Liaoning province adopted a variant of the same policy, requiring that a village have no unauthorized births and all of its married women on birth control before it could qualify for second births. If even one illegal baby was born, all second births would be forbidden that year. The policy was said to have “strengthened group awareness” among Liaoning’s peasants. No doubt it did, for it forced families expecting legal second children to be constantly alert for women pregnant outside the plan. For **if **even a single slacker gave birth, then they would all have to have abortions. It is hard to imagine the intense hostility, even hysteria, that this policy would generate in a small, tightly knit rural community toward anyone who threatened to break the rules…
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lifeissues.net/writers/mos/mos_11populationwar1.html
 
Veritas41 and Rosalinda thanks for the websites; they are quite informative.
a_priori said:
The fact that there are millions upon millions of males with virtually no hope of finding a mate may have potential military consequences. There’s going to be a lot of men with a lot of energy and no way to express it. Not a good situation.
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Karin said:
oh they find mates…they come to the US or Europe and marry the locals:)
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At least then they are finding willing wives, my worry would be the increase in rape.

Having read some of these statistics and comments that all of you have provided, I must admit that I am nearly overcome by grief when I think about the loss of life. Just think, in the time it has taken me to read all of your posts and write this reply thousands have been murdered legally. That really hits me hard.
 
papaspicy said:
Veritas41 and Rosalinda thanks for the websites; they are quite informative.

At least then they are finding willing wives, my worry would be the increase in rape.

Having read some of these statistics and comments that all of you have provided, I must admit that I am nearly overcome by grief when I think about the loss of life. Just think, in the time it has taken me to read all of your posts and write this reply thousands have been murdered legally. That really hits me hard.
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and thinking of the thousands or millions that have been killed here in the USA legally…just today!
The abortion holocaust is an evil one…hopefully one day all people realize this!
 
If you read the link to the Time article you would be familiar with the human rights activist Chen Guangcheng.
The plight of Linyi’s women was publicized by a most unlikely man. Chen Guangcheng was blinded at a young age in Linyi and learned massage in Beijing, one of the few subjects those without sight in China are allowed to study. But Chen was fascinated by law and while in Beijing sat in on several university law courses. Returning to Linyi, he became a legal activist, advising peasants on land and tax disputes. In March, a stream of distraught peasants complained to him of forced sterilizations and the detentions of family members. Chen, 34, had heard about the campaign; many people in his village, he told TIME, had been imprisoned at one time or another for defying the sterilization order
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time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1103579-2,00.html

Today LifeSiteNews reported the following about his wife.
  • One day after the retrial of blind Chinese human right’s advocate Chen Guangcheng concluded without an immediate verdict, his wife was taken for questioning by police in Shandong Province, the Associated Press reported earlier today.
Yuan told the AP she was approached by six or seven policemen as soon as she left a court in Yinan County where she was signing documents.

“They said they wanted to talk to me about some matters, but refused to say what they were,” Yuan said in a telephone interview from the courthouse Tuesday, after the incident. “This is a serious trampling of Chinese law.”…
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That’s pretty sad when you have to get a license to have a child. 😦 Lord have mercy.
 
I have read Stephen Moshers “A mother’s ordeal” and it is an excellent book- and very eye-opening. Sadly,
I have heard people here in the U.S. advocate licences for having children.
 
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