Abortion is a Satanic Sacrifice

[Imryl]

Plus satanists believe he will “bless” them with what they want , generally power but sometimes money, possessions or sex. they also know to get what they want they have to give satan something he wants. He wants destruction of innocents and he needs a blood sacrifice. He wants something that will slap God in the face and what better way then with an abortion?

This is simply not the case. Satanists do not believe they will be “blessed” with what they want if they devote themselves to Satan. This is a common caricature that has no basis in reality. Any devoted thoughtful Satanist knows you can’t “slap God in the face”, literally or figuratively. If a satanist were to believe such a thing, then they would have a serious misunderstanding 1) of the nature of God, 2) God’s permissive will, 3) free will, and how those are all interconnected so that the human person can come to a free and deliberate choice to love God.

Of course Satan is going to do things that are a perversion and evil mockery of god, and since the center of our faith is the sacrifice of the mass, it logically follows that Satan followers would try to imitate that in the most perverse evils ways possible–such as black masses and offering abortions directly or indirectly to their false god.

I would like to remind you that it is not Satan who apes the sacraments, but human persons. Humans need the material, these outward signs, not the angelic. The devil, no doubt, has his hand in such things, but perhaps in a different way…

Does the devil mock God by having his followers turn the sacraments on their head? (I don’t think so.) Or is he really just working diligently to distort the person’s image of God? The distorted image that is then possessed is not of God at all and therefore false. It ends up being a false image of the human person. Why would a false image of God involve a false image of the human person? Because human beings are made in the image of God. If you get the image of God wrong you are always going to get the image of the human person wrong. Satanism is a manifestation of idolatry which is therefore a manifestation of the falsification of the Imageo Dei, what it means to be the image of God. Satanism distorts, in a unique way, the Imageo Dei of the human person. How does it do that? It can only do that if the relationship between man and God and man and neighbor is necessary for the full mirroring of the image of God in the human person. (Think Trinity) If satanism is linked to idolatry, and idolatry is linked to the false image of god, and a false image of God is linked to the false image of the human person then satanism involves a false image of the human person, precisely in his relational dimensions. Precisely in the capacity of man to relate to God and neighbor.

I’m kind of just responding to people’s general confusion. Which included your question. I just needed to clarify my point that I don’t know what satanists are thinking, and the logical train I’m following is only that they would of course attempt to mimic our sacrifice in thte most evil ways possible, not that their sacrifice is in any way comparable or equal to ours.

I have responded to your initial post, not because I thought you were equating the Mass and what goes on their to what Satanists do, but to show you that Satanists can and do follow the same line of thinking when it comes to the sacraments and the Mass that Catholic’s do.

This is why I find it so difficult to swallow that Zach really had in-depth experience and knowledge of Satanism. (Well that, and you said “We” offer the mass without making the proper distinctions for the role of Christ, the priest and the Church when the Mass is offered… But that is beside the point) He seems to never have moved passed an elementary understanding of God and Satan.

Which is just another red flag I suppose.

 

[BluesPicker]

Every abortion was legal. Some took place at a Planned Parenthood site and some took place at temples or private homes. But all had an attending physician with all the necessary tool , machines, etc

 Oh boy this may draw controversy but  I am going to try anyway.   I know of a woman that confessed to performing an abortion on herself with a  metal "coat hanger"  without knowledge of her husband.   Such practices place the mother in great danger of  death either from hemorrhage or infection or a combination of both.   This couple never ever went to church and  they have problems.   Problems so much that no person who carries a  Bible or professes Jesus Christ is Lord or anyone who professes to be a Christian much less a  practicing Roman Catholic are not welcomed now at their home.   You have to leave people this alone and commit them to Jesus Christ in prayer.  

  Wow,   I am beginning to understand  Zach now,  I think.  The  Satanic church he belonged to operates within the confines of the law  and is probably a legal entity.    

   Pnewton's comments are good and show deep insight.

    In private communication with an exorcist priest  in a discussion on demonic infestation,  a growing problem,   I asked why are some infestations so persistent?  He said because the exorcist priest  is undoing what has been done.    Places, objects, or structures or their ruins can't speak.

So some places in the Middle East are avoided and are believed to be demoniacally infested. This priest goes on missions to the Middle East for the Vatican and is a big part in American-Jewish
relations. I don’t have permission to publish his name though. He is also an exorcist and he is very knowledgeable about infestations. He is also one of the smartest persons I ever talked to or wrote and shared notes with.

 I   think that Zach's information he can help provide insight to exorcist priests.   Unbaptized children were regarded as being possessed by some in the Church.    I know that some claim that the Souls of these children's route to Heaven include a hefty price on the living.

 Legalized abortion  in a nation of   88% Christian according to old statistics how are we different  than  the example  of  the Biblical nation of Israel  when turned to  pagan gods?   And like Israel  of  the  Old Testament times why would not God turn his wrath on us?  I heard el presidento Obama say proudly "America is no longer a Christian nation."   What is scary is that he may be right.

   If  Zach's efforts  can save one child from being aborted then all his efforts are worth it.   I remember reading a court case where an abortion room medical doctor called his abortion table his "altar."   There was a priest testifying and  I can't find this on the Internet but  I am going to call this priest and present  that doctor's testimony under oath describing his surely Satan viewpoint.

    And Zach's thesis statement about  abortion being  a blood sacrifice to Satan,  I have heard many  Catholics say the very same thing.   NO DOUBT to me some  in high hope of manipulation of evil spirits dedicate abortion to their god Satan  glorifying death of  innocent children unbaptized everywhere.  

     Pnewton has some good points though but I don't know how this topic can be unsensational.  Do we as a nation have all our swords dipped to some extent in this?  All  I know is  what happened to Israel in the Bible.  As a nation under God we better be praying and doing penance  and above all going to Mass. 

  Oh,   I think we can agree aborted children although bearing Original Sin  have made no sins of commission nor omission  and are innocent victims.

BP

 

[ljsedivy]

Did someone turn up the heat in here or something? Oh,wait…it’s Tuesday already.

Well, I can say that the conversation has once again taken on a completely distinct “edge” to it. I’d like to say ‘welcome back’, …however…

You always know you’re on the right track when you are under attack…

 

[zackin]

OH!!! I did not know that, Zac. I stand corrected. I would never had guessed that. Just thought it was behind some dark doors.

When i was 1st introduced as a fully initiated member of a satanic coven or cult i asked a bunch of questions. The only knowledge i had about groups like that was stuff i saw in movies. So i asked a bunch of questions about human sacrifices and stuff like that i had seen and heard about.

I was told that yes human sacrifices still take place. All around the world these activities take place. But that you couldnt keep killing people without eventually getting caught. But that satan had devised a way to commit murder as often as he pleased and we could keep on doing it forever and it was legal. When they told me it was through a thing called an abortion, which at the ime i wasnt sure what that was.

Having had that 1st talk though i was paranoid about going to jail or prison for murder. Tht would halt my life. Even if i didnt get the death penalty…i had plans for what i wanted the rest of my life to be like and prison would certainly dampen those plans. Most people (satanists) dont care i dont think. some would .

 

[Imryl]

You always know you’re on the right track when you are under attack…

Ah yes. The ol’, because someone questions and expresses doubt, they’re “attacking” someone ploy. Please.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Again, no one has hijacked this thread. This post is more about him and his (unsubstantiated) past then it ever was about abortion. If it was meant to be about abortion he would have spent more time talking about that and it’s connections to the devil and even satanism then spending 90% of the time talking about himself. He is here trying to sell himself as an insider of a secret Satanic organization. He is trying to assert that he has some unique knowledge and experience that the Catholic church has somehow lacked or missed in it’s two thousand years of existence, in addition to it’s historical Judeo roots.

I think you are awesome, in that you can read the mind of the OP so well. You can go ahead and hijack it now to keep it personal for you, since we enjoyed some actual discussion of the Thread Topic while you were gone.

Alan

 

[Imryl]

I think you are awesome, in that you can read the mind of the OP so well. You can go ahead and hijack it now to keep it personal for you, since we enjoyed some actual discussion of the Thread Topic while you were gone.

I suppose next time he won’t open the floor to those who disagree with him about satanism’s role in abortions from those who have a practical lived experiences of being a satanist.

Better to only have discussions with people who won’t question you, right?

You know, there is a “group” functionality on this forum. If that’s the sort of discussion you all are looking for, I might suggest that instead. Then you won’t subject yourselves to review that is found in this more public means of communication.

 

[zackin]

Did someone turn up the heat in here or something? Oh,wait…it’s Tuesday already.

Well, I can say that the conversation has once again taken on a completely distinct “edge” to it. I’d like to say ‘welcome back’, …however…

You always know you’re on the right track when you are under attack…

well said

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Better to only have discussions with people who won’t question you, right?

 

[MtnDwellar]

Every abortion was legal. Some took place at a Planned Parenthood site and some took place at temples or private homes. But all had an attending physician with all the necessary tool , machines, etc

Abortion facilities need to pass state inspections. If a procedure was performed outside of a licensed facility, it is illegal.

The disposition of human tissue is tightly controlled. If aborted fetuses were provided for human consumption, it is illegal.

Only a licensed professional can perform an abortion, if you are not licensed and were allowed to perform abortions, even under the supervision of a doctor, it is illegal.

Planned Parenthood accepts federal funding. Religious ceremonies are not allowed within federally funded facilities. If a Satanic ritual was performed in a Planned Parenthood facility, it is illegal.

Many laws have been broken. The State Medical Board and the State Attorney’s office should be notified. Arrests should be made. Heads will roll!!!

 

[ljsedivy]

I think you are awesome, in that you can read the mind of the OP so well. You can go ahead and hijack it now to keep it personal for you, since we enjoyed some actual discussion of the Thread Topic while you were gone.

Alan

Ditto. Anyone with a spiritual radar is going to be able to tell who is trying to stir the pot and cause division here. There is definitely a change of energy when certain people “walk in the room”.

You know the type…simply MUST have the last word in.

 

[zackin]

Abortion facilities need to pass state inspections. If a procedure was performed outside of a licensed facility, it is illegal.

The disposition of human tissue is tightly controlled. If aborted fetuses were provided for human consumption, it is illegal.

Only a licensed professional can perform an abortion, if you are not licensed and were allowed to perform abortions, even under the supervision of a doctor, it is illegal.

Planned Parenthood accepts federal funding. Religious ceremonies are not allowed within federally funded facilities. If a Satanic ritual was performed in a Planned Parenthood facility, it is illegal.

Many laws have been broken. The State Medical Board and the State Attorney’s office should be notified. Arrests should be made. Heads will roll!!!

arent you fun? I dont know that i can hit on every point but im sure whatever i dont touch on youll ask again…try to remember that i performed my 1st assisted abortion in 1980. im not so sure all these laws you speak of were in place.

while federally funded places don’t want or generally accept Christian practices like praying to God the Father or saying a Rosary, many of them don’t have a problem letting someone host a yoga class (Hindu religion) or stop every hour for their Islamic prayers or light a white candle in honor of Gaia (Ive heard of judges doing this). The only religion not really allowed in federally funded building is Christianity/Catholicism.

If the disposition of human tissue was so tightly controlled, tens of thousands (if not more) baby fetuses would not have been found in dumpsters behind abortion mills.

I have prob done this in almost all 50 states but couldnt tell you exactly which ones i didnt do it in. But i do also know it happens and has happened in all 50. PP isnt going to be honest and admit to these practices. I don’t know of any clinic or doc that would admit to these things unless they converted to Catholicism/Christianity and felt guilty

 

[BluesPicker]

arent you fun? I dont know that i can hit on every point but im sure whatever i dont touch on youll ask again…try to remember that i performed my 1st assisted abortion in 1980. im not so sure all these laws you speak of were in place.

while federally funded places don’t want or generally accept Christian practices like praying to God the Father or saying a Rosary, many of them don’t have a problem letting someone host a yoga class (Hindu religion) or stop every hour for their Islamic prayers or light a white candle in honor of Gaia (Ive heard of judges doing this). The only religion not really allowed in federally funded building is Christianity/Catholicism.

If the disposition of human tissue was so tightly controlled, tens of thousands (if not more) baby fetuses would not have been found in dumpsters behind abortion mills.

I have prob done this in almost all 50 states but couldnt tell you exactly which ones i didnt do it in. But i do also know it happens and has happened in all 50. PP isnt going to be honest and admit to these practices. I don’t know of any clinic or doc that would admit to these things unless they converted to Catholicism/Christianity and felt guilty

Zachery,

 You know  if  one  makes shocking claims (described as Pnewton as Chickish referencing Jack Chick)  then one has to be patient and one can't get frustrated.  Both of which  I am guilty of ; so please understand  not everybody is mocking you or asking insincere questions. The  Human Life  International  website  is a  good source about the direct & peripheral  aspects  concerning abortion.  Pro-life missionaries to the world  is they describe themselves.  There are many Catholics here that are very familar with this group.   They  indicate that the disposal of  aborted fetuses is not well regulated  & strongly  point to the veracity of your statements.   The following link provided is to the HLI  website with pertinent information reproduced from that source.

® Pro-Life Missionaries To The World publication: Facts of LifeHuman Life International

Facts of Life: Chapter 1: Surgical Abortion: How Abortion Mills Dispose of the Remains of Aborted Babies

How Abortion Mills Dispose of the Remains of Aborted Babies.

There are two common methods of disposing of the bodies of first-trimester aborted babies: Flushing them down a garbage disposal or “Insinkerator” or disposing of them as biological waste in special plastic bags. Larger aborted babies are frequently sold for research purposes.

Pro-abortionists do not want the remains of aborted babies (especially late-term aborted babies) to fall into the hands of pro-life activists who then can reveal the bloody reality of abortion to the world. In Wichita, Kansas, and other cities, pro-lifers have discovered aborted preborn babies as large as six pounds (full-term) being burned as garbage along with dead dogs, cats, and birds thrown out by local Humane Society offices.[39] Some abortionists have even used meat grinders and garbage disposals to dispose of the bodies of aborted preborn babies.[40]

In order to completely eliminate the bodies of late-term aborted babies, some abortuaries that specialize in third-trimester abortions possess on-site crematoria.

It is very important for pro-abortionists to deny the humanity of the preborn child even after he or she is dead in order to maintain a grisly consistency. In several instances when pro-life activists have tried to bury dead preborn babies, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and other pro-abortion groups have sued them because such funerals would allegedly “violate the separation of Church and State.”[41]

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Pax
BP

 

[gxensen]

The other day I watched parts of a Black Mass in a documentary on the Church of Satan, and I found out something interesting. They don’t believe in God OR Satan. Their basic purpose for existing seemed to be to mock the Church, wearing robes and speaking haughtily as if they were carrying on an actual Mass.

Well, you and all of the forum readers here, have to keep in mind that Satanism is as diverse as Christianity, itself. It has thousands of sects, and there’s even a huge schism (what a surprise )

The huge schism is whether you’re a LeVeyan Satanist or a Theistic Satanist.

LeVeyan Satanists are actually atheists who believe in freedom, and most of the time they refer to Satanism, not as a religion devoted to the devil, but as a philosophy of freedom. And, I guess that some LeVeyan Satanists could create their own sect which mocks the church, as you mentioned.

Then there’s, plain old, Theistic Satanism which is where one worships the devil and/or his demons and sees God as blasphemy, the typical occult stuff we think of, when we Catholics think of Satanism. Now, this side of the schism (Theistic Satanism VS LeVeyan Satanism) is the one with thousands of sects, they all have their own unique moral doctrines, ways of worshiping et cetera; some believe in sacrifices and some don’t; some believe that all humans who go to hell become demons and some don’t. So, there’re hundreds of thousands schools of thought; on this side of the schism.

This Youtube video brilliantly satirizes this schism:

RD15 - Laveyan vs. Theistic Satanist

So, yeah

I’d just like to make sure that people keep that in mind, and not just take Satanism as a one-dimensional thing.

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And, here’s a better quality video from Youtube, of what Zack has been linking us to (LOL, I prefer Youtube so much more, when watching videos onine):

Satanic Sacrifice; The highest form of Spells

 

[zackin]

Well, you and all of the forum readers here, have to keep in mind that Satanism is as diverse as Christianity, itself. It has thousands of sects, and there’s even a huge schism (what a surprise )

The huge schism is whether you’re a LeVeyan Satanist or a Theistic Satanist.

LeVeyan Satanists are actually atheists who believe in freedom, and most of the time they refer to Satanism, not as a religion devoted to the devil, but as a philosophy of freedom. And, I guess that some LeVeyan Satanists could create their own sect which mocks the church, as you mentioned.

Then there’s, plain old, Theistic Satanism which is where one worships the devil and/or his demons and sees God as blasphemy, the typical occult stuff we think of, when we Catholics think of Satanism. Now, this side of the schism (Theistic Satanism VS LeVeyan Satanism) is the one with thousands of sects, they all have their own unique moral doctrines, ways of worshiping et cetera; some believe in sacrifices and some don’t; some believe that all humans who go to hell become demons and some don’t. So, there’re hundreds of thousands schools of thought; on this side of the schism.

This Youtube video brilliantly satirizes this schism:

RD15 - Laveyan vs. Theistic Satanist

So, yeah

I’d just like to make sure that people keep that in mind, and not just take Satanism as a one-dimensional thing.

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And, here’s a better quality video from Youtube, of what Zack has been linking us to (LOL, I prefer Youtube so much more, when watching videos onine):

Satanic Sacrifice; The highest form of Spells

I agree with most of what you say. Where we differ is there are 2 basic types of satanism…Theistic and atheistic. Laveyism is a mixture of the 2. Some people within that church do believe in God and the devil and some believe in the philosophy of self (which is satanic as well). There are schisms within groups and it seems schisms within schisms.

or the best version of the video go here
embracingyourgreatness.blogspot.com/2011_10_01_archive.html and watch the whole thing

 

[Holly3278]

I am not certain about how true this is but I have heard that some members of the Occult get an abortion and offer the murder of their unborn child as a sacrifice to whatever idols they serve or possibly even Satan himself.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

I am not certain about how true this is but I have heard that some members of the Occult get an abortion and offer the murder of their unborn child as a sacrifice to whatever idols they serve or possibly even Satan himself.

Has that not been what this entire thread and controversy was about to begin with? In fact its even the title of this thread…

 

[gxensen]

I agree with most of what you say. Where we differ is there are 2 basic types of satanism…Theistic and atheistic. Laveyism is a mixture of the 2. Some people within that church do believe in God and the devil and some believe in the philosophy of self (which is satanic as well). There are schisms within groups and it seems schisms within schisms.

or the best version of the video go here
embracingyourgreatness.blogspot.com/2011_10_01_archive.html and watch the whole thing

Thank you.

And, I would like to let you know that you are a great inspiration, I think, to people who feel they’ve done too much bad, to come back to God.

Peace!

 

[CompSciGuy]

Again Alan I have not solicited any personal information from our friend Zach. If I wanted to contact Zach his information is already in the public domain - including his location. I don’t need his personal address or number.

Nor am I asking for the private/personal information of the references he offered to provide. He said he had six letters; one from his Bishop. People don’t offer letters of reference and expect not to be contacted.

As an engineer who’s likely looked for a job, you know that.

Be careful arguing with this guy. let me tell you, it goes something like this: first he insults you, and criticizes whatever you say, making all kinds of absurd allegations, and then if you respond, and address anything that he said back to you and explain why he is mistaken, he will deny that he ever said it, and insult you again, and if you point out what post he said it in and quote it, he will either twist the semantics of the English language and try to make it look like you misunderstood him, and insult you for misunderstanding, or he will ignore it, and insult you for not agreeing with him, making some claim to the opposite of whatever argument you have laid out, no matter how ludicrous, and insult you for not accepting his point of view. You cannot get an actual position out of this guy to save your life, just a bunch of insults.

 

[gxensen]

Be careful arguing with this guy. let me tell you, it goes something like this: first he insults you, and criticizes whatever you say, making all kinds of absurd allegations, and then if you respond, and address anything that he said back to you and explain why he is mistaken, he will deny that he ever said it, and insult you again, and if you point out what post he said it in and quote it, he will either twist the semantics of the English language and try to make it look like you misunderstood him, and insult you for misunderstanding, or he will ignore it, and insult you for not agreeing with him, making some claim to the opposite of whatever argument you have laid out, no matter how ludicrous, and insult you for not accepting his point of view. You cannot get an actual position out of this guy to save your life, just a bunch of insults.

Whom? Imryl, Alan, or Zach?