No offense taken BP. I agree with you. Everyone’s a victim when it comes to abortion except the evil ones that promote it. And in many ways they’re victims too even though they can’t see their own victimization. Satan and his demons are def not victims. But all humans associated should be prayed for. Even the abortion doctors and nurses should be prayed for.
Satan is not the opposite of God, he is not the negation of God. Turning from God doesn’t mean turning toward Satan. Temptation, as we are told, comes from three sources: the flesh, the world and the devil. Turning away from God could be turning inward, to yourself, to the world, or to the devil. Something “other” than God.
The devil doesn’t have “work”. You can’t do “his work”. You can do “a work” and that has moral implications.
Yes, the sin would be more grave if they were doing it to serve Satan. There is a hierarchy of sin, as you know. Breaking the first commandment, is worse than breaking the commandment of coveting your neighbors goods.
would i be more apt to listen to someone that read the Bible and it says the devil fell from grace and is a bad demon or would i be more apt to listen to the person hat has 26+ years experience , a lot of stories and can name things he did in the name of satan? id prob listen to the guy that can give a life experience warning. My priest can warn me about Satan cause he’s been taught how bad Satan is. I can warn you because i worked for the dark lord for a long time and know what the ramifications are for doing so.
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I didn’t miss it, so my comment still stands. Your response was flawed, and I addressed it in my later post.
You mean, would I listen to someone given the power and authority to interpret scripture, guard the deposit of faith and educate the faithful over and above a man on the internet who claims to have been a satanist for 26 years and have some special insight? I think I would turn to the Bride of Christ - the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church - over Zachary King.
How do you know God is calling you to speak about these experiences and it’s not your own ego?
I was hoping you had missed it, and that’s why I spoke up since he was referring to something I said that had nothing to do with definitions of “mortal sin.”
That’s like asking the head of a computer security firm to hire a decorated police officer instead of an ex-con who was a former computer hacker, to find the information leaks in a system.
Clarification: hurts your ego.
One thing I’ve found is that any Good Thing I want to do, has multiple possible motives.
Nor did my response have much to do with the definition of mortal sin Alan. It was in response to the conversations direction which was asserting abortion was a direct and intential sacrific to Satan, without the knowledge of those involved. Abortion is satanic in the sense that it is evil. It is not satanic in the sense that it is a direct offering to Satan.
What you are doing is taking an ex-con’s word that he’s a former computer hacker. He could still be a hacker or, even worse but more likely, he could have just been one of those aggravating people who install pre-made spyware and keyloggers, but never developed malicious code in their life and probably doesn’t know a thing about security protocols, back doors, etc.
You have to make sure you’re talking to a horse and not a donkey though.
Ego nothing. Satanists don’t refer to Satan as “the dark lord”.
A serious sin is a serious sin. Any serious sin against an infinite good is worthy of damnation. But you would agree that desecrating the Eucharist is more serious then kicking Fido for no reason.
Sure.
No one is offended here. If you have read it that way, I’m sorry, but you’ve misunderstood. This man is claiming to have been a Satanist. I have no doubt that he at one time called to him, but he is speaking in a way satanists do not speak. Claiming things about satanists that are not true. He is making claims he cannot substantiate.
So you’re doubting the OP actually was a satanist?
No I wouldn’t. The “St. Francis” in me would rather feed the Eucharist to a dog rather than perform a wanton act of meanness upon a beloved creature of God – one of His innocent animals – if I was forced at gunpoint to choose one or the other.
I have no doubt he was a satanist. I haven’t any reason to think otherwise. However, like a Catholic who has been Catholic their entire life but knows little to nothing about Catholicism, it’s core beliefs or why the Church believes what it believes and teaches what it teaches, there are satanists who never move beyond the theatrical, self-important, self-absorbed sort of Satanism. They think because they were a satanist for so long it somehow convey’s authority or authenticity to their statements.
Think of it like peer review.
I think you should go speak to your priest about that.
You know, just for the fun of it, I think I will. I talk to my pastor almost every week on all imaginable topics. Thanks for the suggestion!
First, keep in mind that you set up the dichotomy. I know it’s a contrived situation, but I’m playing along. Let’s assuming I just got the Eucharist in my hand, and a SWAT team grabbed me and put a little doggie in front of me and said, “feed the Host to the dog, or kick the dog at least 10 feet across the room in one swift kick. If you do neither, we will feed the Host to the dog, then shoot the dog AND you.”
Also from the content of your posts it is evident to me that you are working for Our Lord Jesus Christ and delivering a message.
The Body of Christ is more important than anyone or anything, let alone a dog. If they kill you for the sake of God’s name, Blessed are you.
You know, just for the fun of it, I think I will. I talk to my pastor almost every week on all imaginable topics. Thanks for the suggestion!
Is anyone good with Photoshop? I’d kind of like to see an image of St. Francis booting a little poodle or shih tzu across the room just for grins.
Hmm… if it’s a Jack Russel terrier, maybe the situation would be different.
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First, keep in mind that you set up the dichotomy. I know it’s a contrived situation, but I’m playing along. Let’s assuming I just got the Eucharist in my hand, and a SWAT team grabbed me and put a little doggie in front of me and said, “feed the Host to the dog, or kick the dog at least 10 feet across the room in one swift kick. If you do neither, we will feed the Host to the dog, then shoot the dog AND you.”
So you’d kick the dog, whereas I’d feed it the Host. I wouldn’t let them shoot me, because I am not looking to be a martyr if I can help it. Perhaps we’ll each stand before God and He will tell us whether one or both of us had the right idea, and the right heart. Maybe we’re both right, since we both have heartfelt opinions. I’m not sure God’s all that into “measuring” how evil one act is compared to another, though … the way we like to give Him credit for doing. I think we are too academic and try too much to apply arithmetic to faith matters. The arithmetic is good for discussion, but it’s a discussion model, not a spiritual model IMO.
Jesus did too: first is last, last is first, 70*7, greatest is the one who serves, must be like this child …
Hard to do math like Jesus, isn’t it? Maybe Ma and Pa Kettle were divinely inspired!
Alan
I’d kick the dog because it would not be a grave sin, even without a gun held to your head. Animals are made for man. Their souls are not immortal. Kicking the dog would not be the grave matter, the reason for kicking the dog could potentially be grave matter. It could be mortal, but it would likely be venial. Certainly it would not even verge into the venial sin territory if a gun were held to your head.
How is it that you are so familiar with Satanic culture that you can say with absolute certainly that the OP is not telling the truth about his 26 years experience with it? It is often said that the real teacher is experience. Have you had actual experience in Satanism to know that he is not telling the truth?
What proof can you give everyone that you know with absolute certainly that the OP is not telling us the truth here. Were you deeply involved with Satanism? Can you provide us verifiable proof that he is not telling us the truth about his 26 years? Were you actually involved in Satanism as an experience or were you involved in it through research about it?
Thank you for that. You are right that you’d be blessed. But I wouldn’t be because frankly I’d save my life and rely on God’s mercy. (I can take just about anything emotionally or mentally, but when it comes to physical harm I’m a total coward.) At least if it’s a simple binary decision that comes up one time. There are limits, of course, but we’re talking simple here.
Is it a grave sin if it is the property of another man? What if it were a prize winning show dog that was worth a million dollars? What if the show dog was part of the man’s living – so you’re taking food off his table by destroying the dog?