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apricot_yogurt
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a-cermak. I am not suprised that you were upset/flustered by protesters outside an abortion clinic. I am sure they ruffled your feathers a bit, after all, you were going inside so a woman could kill her baby, and on some level you knew what was going on.
If I saw a woman about to hurl her child to its death, I would probably block her way instinctively. I would probably cry out to her not to do this.
It must be devastating for prolifers to watch two people go into a building, and knowing that only one will come out.
If I saw a woman about to hurl her child to its death, I would probably block her way instinctively. I would probably cry out to her not to do this.
It must be devastating for prolifers to watch two people go into a building, and knowing that only one will come out.
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a_cermak
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I wouldn’t mind any of these tactics, they just aren’t as in your face as the ones we faced. One does have custody of their eyes and doesn’t have to look at posters. The food trick is sneaky, and should be accompanied by full disclosure, but it isn’t just over the line as the behavior I saw back then. Praying on public property etc. is fine, passing out literature is fine, as long as the property itself is accessible.
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a_cermak
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It wasn’t the praying or such, it was the actual impeding of progress and the invading of personal space. They knew not to touch us and I knew not to touch them lest we be accused of assault.
At the time I was pro-life and had actually served as an officer of our university pro-life group. However, I felt that loyalty to a friend was more important. She didn’t ask me my opinion about the procedure, knew I had reservations about it, but needed my help in dealing with it all.
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deb1
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When I was in college I discovered, also, that I was pregnant.
I had broken up with my fiance because I was terrified of marriage. My mom had been married SIX times and I assumed that eventually I would grow to despise the man I loved, just as my mom always seemed to do.
Being depressed, I engaged in a one night stand. When I told the guy that I was pregnant, he informed me that “His father had been a a##hole and that he guess that he would be too.” Then he refused to talk with me again.
I was paying for my own college and I saw few options. It would be impossible for me to continue school, work and juggle a pregnancy.
I decided on an abortion. My former fiance called me out of the blue and I explained the situation. He told me that I would never forgive myself if I ‘murdered’ my child(and yes he used the harsh term murder) and that he would marry me. He said that he wanted to protect the baby and that he loved me.
At the time I thought that love was that first rush of hormones that one got when two people were attracted. I had lost that feeling for my former fiance.
I wasn’t Christian but I cried out to whatever God there was. I was depressed and suffering. I wanted an abortion but my former fiance’s words really bothered me.
Finally, I decided that we would get married. I was very frightened and I had no idea if I was doing the right thing. I assumed that I would end up divorced like my mom.
The first two years were very difficult but gradually over time I realized that I was falling deeply in love with my husband.
My oldest son will be 18 this year. He wants to be a director and is a very good young man. When we finally told him last year that his dad was not his biological dad, my oldest son simply said, “But my dad is still my dad.” He says that he doesn’t really care to find his biological other parent(I don’t like to call the man his dad)
As far as my hubby and I, we are very, very happy. It is impossible not to love a hero, after all, which my hubby is because he saved our son’s life.
If your friend had told you that she needed to suffucate a one month old child so that she could continue her education would you have supported her decision? What she did was no different. She destroyed life.
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Thoughtful
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I really think that we need to continue to focus on what 99% of pro-lifers are intent on accomplishing which is to save lives through education and support.
What we need to avoid is getting caught up in pro-abortion rhetoric about how awful the behavior of a small minority of pro-life protesters can be. It detracts from the real issue of the positive effect the movement has on the lives of future Canadian and American citizens.
In the Canadian city I live in, these types of aggressive protests are unheard of.
To those who are pro-abortion, I’m not sad that your experience going to the abortion clinic didn’t go as smooth as you had hoped, but I’m sure that focusing on that short walk certainly helps you to ignore the real issue of your support of someone who is about to impose a death sentence on their child.
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deb1
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I think that the prolife cause is hampered in the public eye when the protestors don’t follow certain protocols.
At the same time, I can certainly understand the emotions of the prolife supporters.
Imagine if you lived in Nazi Germany during Hitler. If any group of people had been brave enough to try and use whatever means possible to halt the trains going to concentrations camps, those people would be considered heroic today. Abortion is murder and it is difficult not to want to save the lifes of little children.
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Monica02
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Glad to know I have your approval (note the sarcastic tone).
I will have to seek the advice of more pro-aborts on our behaviour in attempts to stop people from killing unborn children ( more sarcasm).
Actually pro-aborts can divulge valuable information about which tactics work. Whenever the deathscorts get mad - we know we must be doing something right. The very fact that the abortionist had to get deathscorts is proof-positive that we were having an effect on his grizzly business.
People have to literally bow down in their car to not see our posters. Just about everone looks and we very often see them quickly turning away when they see that we see them looking.
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calchiquita
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Well, one thing I did was put Planned Parenthood sites (like TeenWire) on list of sites my daughter may not access on the internet.
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Lonevoice
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Well, I know I’ve never yelled at anyone; on the other hand, I’ve been told that praying the Rosary on the path to the clinic constitutes harassment and even once was told (by security guards/off duty cops) it could constitute assault/intimidation…
Go figure. What a screwed up mixed up muddled up world we live in…
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Grace_Angel
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Scott, the organisation you refer to is Project Rachel, or otherwise known as Rachel’s Vineyard. This is a Catholic organisation which helps in all manner of ways both pre and post abortion.
For my self I have been a post abortion grief counsellour for 12 years, and post abortion grief is a reality. the stats and facts and figures are real and more and more we are learning that abortion wounds deeply, not only the girl/woman but males, extended family, friends and society. Abortion does not happen in vacuum. Abortion means the killing of ones own in utero infant and woman was never designed to do that. Her psychology/equilibrium becomes disturbed and it takes much to bring back some balance and peace. For thirty years I have remembered every single day my two abortions. And whilst I am reconciled with my children and with my God (Catholic) I long for the day when I can hold them and speak with them face to face. I have other children and love these dearly but I hold a special place and a special love for the other two (3rd was miscarriage). I have developed a programme and work with abortive women and males and I love what I do because it gives me an opportunity to help someone encounter their infant and move that infant from sorrow and heaviness to joy and restfulness in Mum’s heart. Never forgetting, always remembering, but remembering with love and not anguish.
How can we bring to an end this demon abortion? we need to recognise that “EVE” is saying NO to God again. We need to recognise, that EVE is slowly forgetting her unique role as child bearer. She co operates with God in continuing humanity. Eve has forgotten this. “EVE” sees herself in a “commercial” role, where her value is meassured in how skilled and talented, and work creative she is. Her absolute creative gift (as child bearer) is slowly receding and is being supplanted by false value. We need Eve to remember who she is in God’s plan and her magnificent value as “female”
Do I think that education per se will fix it? NO. When we made sexuality just another subject which we learn about, and wrote essays about, we made sexuality just another ho hum topic to be discussed and disseminated ad anauseum. We actually removed the holiness and sacredness which should be attributed to it. Rats and stats about post abortion trauma and grief will do the same because in a crisis, the facts and figures will be forgotten. The education has to go deeper. Its an education of the soul and a reclaiming of woman’s right to be "WOMAN’ “HAWAH” (mother of all living).
Do I think this will happen soon. NO. It needs a human crisis of indescribable proportions for this to happen.
Grace Angel.
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mvinca
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There is also a Project Gabriel. It helps women with “unplanned” pregancies. It focuses more on preventing abortion than helping heal after an abortion.
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Grace_Angel
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I hope your friend’s “professorship” was worth the death of her son or daughter. And there is no reason why she should hav e changed and become pro life rather than pro choice. If she were to fully understand her action she may not be able to cope with it. Its a self protection mechanism to remain pro choice. As long as others have abortions her own wasnt so bad.
Grace Angel.
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a_cermak
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What I was referring to were the women who have their abortion and then 10 years or so further down the road, after they have become successful (possibly as a consequence of having their abortion) become pro-life and start advocating for laws against it. I’m afraid I tend to consider them hypocrites of the highest order.
As for me, I was pro-life in my first 2 years of college, then slowly tilted more pro-choice as I got to know women whose circumstances simply didn’t allow for any other convenient choices that didn’t change their lives altogether. Also I came to accept a philosophy of property rights of the woman to her own body which means she can say no to the foetus’ request for vacancy. Today, I’m still probably a bit inconsistent. I have no problem with abortion in the first 16 weeks, as the foetus can’t survive outside the womb at that point. After that point, unless there’s some other mitigating factor (life/health of mother, severe defect of infant (like those babies with only a brain stem) and such) I don’t support it and after 6 months I don’t support abortion under any but the most extreme conditions because a C-section should be just as effective and the foetus will likely survive.
I am a big fan of the morning after pill because when used, it avoids a surgical abortion that can cause distress to the foetus, at the point that MAP acts, there is no nervous system, brain etc. that can feel pain at all.
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apricot_yogurt
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a_cermak, I am sorry you have no problem with abortion before 16 weeks. Take a look at my child pictured on the ticker below, and tell me what you see.
See that head, the one that practices expressions and grimaces, with a mouth that swallows, and sucks its thumb. Abortion would crush that head, and tear it out piecemeal. Those little arms and legs that would end up in a surgical dish, along with his or her little heart beating since 18 days old.
See that head, the one that practices expressions and grimaces, with a mouth that swallows, and sucks its thumb. Abortion would crush that head, and tear it out piecemeal. Those little arms and legs that would end up in a surgical dish, along with his or her little heart beating since 18 days old.
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deb1
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I’ve known of several women who experienced regret and emotional pain after aborting their child. Such a woman would be dishonest if she did not talk of these feelings. If she changes her mind and begins to believe that abortion is murder then she is going to end up changing her stance. That is not hypocritical but being honest. Should she not be allowed to change her stance?
We don’t always get what we want in life. Sometimes our lives are changed beyond our expectations. How one handles these moments is what makes a person moral or immoral. It is very easy to be good when life is going your way but it is those moments when fate throws you a curve ball and your reaction to such an event that tells if the person is moral/immoral, good or bad.
Yes, it is easier to get rid of the child quickly and not have to face the shame of pregnancy or the results of having premarital sex. But doing what is easy isn’t always what is good, or moral.
Didn’t you ever notice that people can come up with a thousand reasons for doing what is wrong? That doesn’t make their actions good.
Being moral is difficult.
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Grace_Angel
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ACermak you are not inconsistent you are pro choice and fence sitter. A 16 week foetus alos cannot live outside the womb, but it is the same foetus as it was at 10 weeks except just a little bigger. and 10 weeker is just the same as 4 wseeker except bigger and more defined. And a 4 weeker is the same as a 10 day - er all the instructiuons for his/her self growth are in place, it instructs itself on dev elopment.
Woman has a right over her own body? sure. Does she have a right over another’s body. well the bubs is anothe’s body.
My suspicion is that you are a non catholic. If you were you would be be speaking as you have.
I am also presuming that you have not read Theology of the Body, Love and Responsibility, Nuptial Mystery, evangelium Vitae, Humane Vitae, Veritatis Splendour, Donus Vitae, Castii Conubii. or any of the documentation which were written by JPII on life and human sexuality.
You can be flippant about life because you have not taken time to know what “life” means.
GraceAngel.
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Thoughtful
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Hypocrisy is basically “…claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.”(Oxford Concise English Dictionary).
**After ****time **you changed your position on abortion and accepted a philosophy contrary to what you believed previously.
Why would a woman who changed her position on abortion after having one be a hypocrite? People learn from their mistakes, and with maturity and exposure to information someone can decide that a previous course of action was wrong.
How does changing one’s mind make one a hypocrite?
I would really appreciate your clarification of what, to me, is a double standard. Thanks.
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lizaanne
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deb1 - no one else seemed to notice your story, so I will take the time to comment and say that it was an amazing thing that you and your husband did. You are a fine example of how the worst situation can turn out to be a total blessing if only given the chance of life.
I’m so grateful to have read your inspiring story! Thanks for sharing!
~Liza
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