Abortion--keeping women educated

[crmcfl]

Deb - your story is beautiful. Several of my friends (including one who was raped and became pregnant by the rapist) considered abortion but didn’t. Some had abortions and regretted it.

I was once pro-choice, now I’m pro-life. Hypocritical? No, just much more informed.

Back in the 70s (when I was in high school and college) we were told abortion was the only possible answer if you wanted any kind of life, especially if you were in college. “Don’t wreck your life.” “It’s a simple procedure.” “You’ll get on with your life.” “It’s your body.” What they don’t tell you about is the heartache, the nightmares of disappearing children, waking up hearing a baby crying and not being able to find it, the memories that don’t go away, the depression, the wrecked relationships, the anger, the depression. The loss of trust and loss of faith. All these things are real. Fathers who wanted the child grieving because their partners aborted them without their knowledge or just because they could. Siblings who discover their mother aborted their brother or sister and think “that could’ve been me”. Many women shut down emotionally for years, then later have a child (if they can-some can’t due to injuries or infections from the abortion-another thing they don’t tell you) and realize as their baby grows what they’ve done and become seriously depressed or suicidal. It happens way more than we’re led to believe. So many say now “if only I had known what I was giving up” but we weren’t told. For me, change happened when I got pregnant with my daughter. Later, my son was born premature and on the day he was born there was a story on the news of a baby his same gestation (27 weeks) that was an abortion survivor who lived. That clinched it for me. Blobs of cells? So were you once. So was I.

Don’t assume that just because the college professor seems all right that she is. Many post-abortive women and men suffer in silence. Project Rachel is full of these people.

 

[Jennifer123]

Also I came to accept a philosophy of property rights of the woman to her own body which means she can say no to the foetus’ request for vacancy.

I just don’t know what to say to this - the fetus’ request for vacancy? I don’t mean to sound flippant but what should the fetus do? Knock on the uterine wall and ask permission to implant? I’m just appalled that something like this even exists among the educated elites but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Seriously is this the justification du jour, the latest fad in pro-choice pontification? I just thought I had heard everything.

 

[Thoughtful]

deb1 - no one else seemed to notice your story, so I will take the time to comment and say that it was an amazing thing that you and your husband did. You are a fine example of how the worst situation can turn out to be a total blessing if only given the chance of life.

I’m so grateful to have read your inspiring story! Thanks for sharing!

~Liza

deb1 - I second that - your story was incredibly inspiring…and hopeful! God Bless you and your family.

 

[deb1]

deb1 - no one else seemed to notice your story, so I will take the time to comment and say that it was an amazing thing that you and your husband did. You are a fine example of how the worst situation can turn out to be a total blessing if only given the chance of life.

I’m so grateful to have read your inspiring story! Thanks for sharing!

~Liza

Thank you very much.

 

[jediliz]

Deb, that story was beautiful.

a_cermak,

Will your friend ever tell her two other children about the sibling they never met?

Many women are pressured to abort, they think its their ONLY option. There are so many people out there willing to help them. If they only knew about their baby’s development.

I think the “In the Womb” program from the National Geographic Channel would be a great education tool.

 

[lizaanne]

I am a regular volunteer at Saint Michael’s Media (see my sig below). Last night we taped a new episode of The One True Faith. The topic was The Culture of Death, and was one of the most moving and engaging shows so far.

After the show, a woman whom I know from the audience, stood up and went to the microphone. She introduced herself, and told her story of how she had an abortion when she was in college. How she was completely blinded by the evil of misdirection and misinformation, and sadly how she has had to live with the pain and guilt for over 20 years. It was such an emotional moment to see her up there telling this story, I had no idea she had been through this.

She is now going public with her story in an effort to educate other women of the pain and devastating aftermath of abortion that the pro-choice front does not want women to know about or acknowledge. She is becoming active in support groups, and is speaking out. We spoke about this afterward, and we both agreed that the ability of pro-choice groups to say that there is no emotional/psychological impact from abortion is because so many woman won’t talk about how it in fact DOES ruin lives and families. If women don’t speak out about this, as difficult and painful as it might be, others will think it’s no big deal and abortion will solve all their problems.

Abortion only makes things worse, never better.

If you are in the SE Michigan area, please look for this episode of the show to air on channel MY20 in three weeks (the Sunday after Super Bowl) . And then it will be available as a podcast on the SMM website (see my sig) for download after the airing of the show.

~Liza

 

[MTD]

As for me, I was pro-life in my first 2 years of college, then slowly tilted more pro-choice as I got to know women whose circumstances simply didn’t allow for any other convenient choices that didn’t change their lives altogether.

So murder is justified for the sake of convenience?

Also I came to accept a philosophy of property rights of the woman to her own body which means she can say no to the foetus’ request for vacancy.

What about the baby’s right to live? Do you think that the mother has the right to kill the baby for something the baby has no control over? As I asked earlier, what crime did the baby commit to deserve capital punishment?

Today, I’m still probably a bit inconsistent. I have no problem with abortion in the first 16 weeks, as the foetus can’t survive outside the womb at that point.

Since when does dependence or size define the rights we have? Should men have more rights because they’re generally bigger than women? Or should two-year-olds have fewer rights under the law since they’re more dependent than adults?

I am a big fan of the morning after pill because when used, it avoids a surgical abortion that can cause distress to the foetus, at the point that MAP acts, there is no nervous system, brain etc. that can feel pain at all.

Hmmm. Do you also think that I’d be justified in killing you as long as I put you on anesthesia first?

Maria

 

[Holly3278]

Somehow I seriously doubt that most pro-life protestors standing outside of abortion clinics are going to yell “baby killer” or similar things to the women going inside or even to the employees. You’d have to be truly fanatical to do that. What gets me is the people who say that people show graphic signs are being fanatical. To me that is just wrong. I’d be willing to bet that those graphic signs have turned many a person to the pro-life side or at least convinced them not to get an abortion.

 

[Grace_Angel]

What I was referring to were the women who have their abortion and then 10 years or so further down the road, after they have become successful (possibly as a consequence of having their abortion) become pro-life and start advocating for laws against it. I’m afraid I tend to consider them hypocrites of the highest order.

As for me, I was pro-life in my first 2 years of college, then slowly tilted more pro-choice as I got to know women whose circumstances simply didn’t allow for any other convenient choices that didn’t change their lives altogether. Also I came to accept a philosophy of property rights of the woman to her own body which means she can say no to the foetus’ request for vacancy. Today, I’m still probably a bit inconsistent. I have no problem with abortion in the first 16 weeks, as the foetus can’t survive outside the womb at that point. After that point, unless there’s some other mitigating factor (life/health of mother, severe defect of infant (like those babies with only a brain stem) and such) I don’t support it and after 6 months I don’t support abortion under any but the most extreme conditions because a C-section should be just as effective and the foetus will likely survive.

I am a big fan of the morning after pill because when used, it avoids a surgical abortion that can cause distress to the foetus, at the point that MAP acts, there is no nervous system, brain etc. that can feel pain at all.

Cermak what you are saying is that you are pro abortion. Size seems to be your criteria. Its not the same child at various ages and sizes, but its OK to dispose of the child so long as its done when it is small. Then abortion is OK.
Good for you!!! (not)
Grace Angel.

 

[August_AWeitzel]

I recently went on to the Planned Parenthood website (plannedparenthood.org) and was appalled when I read the following: “Some people who oppose a woman’s right to make her own reproductive decisions claim that abortion often causes long-lasting emotional problems, or “post-abortion syndrome.” There is no scientific proof for these claims.”

If they aren’t content following a common ethos to reserve the sanctity of human life, which most monotheistic religions (not The Episcopal Church) are in favor of, and science isn’t an asset to help them acknowledge they way they feel emotionally, where are these women supposed to turn? If science and religion are out of the picture, what is left?

If we take a look at the stats from the Elliot Institute, it is scientifically proven that women in a post-abortion state are in immense physical, emotional, and mental pain that wasn’t made known to them through their abortion distributor.

In a study of post-abortion patients only 8 weeks after their abortion, researchers found that 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor. (2) A 5 year retrospective study in two Canadian provinces found significantly greater use of medical and psychiatric services among aborted women. Most significant was the finding that 25% of aborted women made visits to psychiatrists as compared to 3% of the control group. (3) Women who have had abortions are significantly more likely than others to subsequently require admission to a psychiatric hospital.

How do we as Catholics carry out the message of life to the women and institutions who deny Him? What more can we do?

All sides are welcome!

 

[August_AWeitzel]

There is only the same old answer: pray
The ultra-sound imageing of the fetus should be shown to all mothers who plan an abortion

 

[jediliz]

There is only the same old answer: pray
The ultra-sound imageing of the** BABY **should be shown to all mothers who plan an abortion

Yes, it should be. At most CPC, a woman can get one for free. But if she asks to see the screen gasp at an abortuary, she usually is refused. This is probably because something like 90% of women who are abortion vulnerable change their minds about abortion once they see their child on the screen. The new 3D and 4Ds are especially helpful with this, if those are available.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I firmly believe that if women knew the consequences of an abortion through education (such as the stats you provided) it would help immensely in ending it.

Screaming baby-killer and waving posters of destroyed children only makes the pro-life crowd look like an unreasonable bunch of fanatics and can be denied.

Hard facts and education can’t be denied.

and the more I learn about Planned Parenthood, the more I’m beginning to understand who’s behind it and it chills me.

The founder of planned parenthood was an occultist. The proabortion movement of today is purely satanic and pagan.

 

[Mystic_of_God]

Yes, it should be. At most CPC, a woman can get one for free. But if she asks to see the screen gasp at an abortuary, she usually is refused. This is probably because something like 90% of women who are abortion vulnerable change their minds about abortion once they see their child on the screen. The new 3D and 4Ds are especially helpful with this, if those are available.

Honestly, I don’t know why the choice folks don’t support right-to-know legislation. It seems that they would prefer an educated choice to a uneducated choice.

 

[hasikelee]

I’m not certain if the protestors could legal do this. Couldn’t someone accuse them of harresment, even if their intentions are good?

Unfortunately, legal issues remain a huge problem for those wish to assist women going into an abortion clinic.

Sometimes women will be hired to go undercover and pretend to be a woman wanting an abortion. At least in the cases where this has happened outside my local clinic, enough witnesses had documentation (video/photos) to prove what had happened.

Anyone looking to give monetary assistance, housing assistance, legal assistance, etc to a woman outside an abortion clinic should definitely retain a lawyer and know their rights and the legal procedure so as not to become vulnerable.

Additional risks do exist. For example, the group that counsels women outside my clinic weekly will often offer financial and housing assistance to women, even bringing the women (and children if she has any) into their own homes. Sometimes a male partner will find out the woman escaped her abortion and will attempt to hurt the woman and the prolifer’s family. Other times the woman might have personal issues and bring substance abuse in the home, attempt to commit suicide, steal from the family, the list goes on.

Unless you are appropriately trained and prepared for helping women during this time of crisis, it is most beneficial for everyone involved, especially the woman, who needs professional and secure help, to refer her to a prolife crisis center.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

They do that deliberately to safeguard abortionist profits!

“They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn’t want to have an abortion.”
Dr. Randall, abortion physician

“Sonography in connection with induced abortion may have psychological hazards. Seeing a blown-up, moving image of the embryo she is carrying can be distressing to a woman who is about to undergo an abortion, Dr. Sally Faith Dorfman noted. She stressed that the screen should be turned away from the patient.” --“Obstetrics and Gynecology News” editorial February 15-28, 1986

“I was trained by a professional marketing director in how to sell abortions over the telephone. He took every one of our receptionists, nurses, and anyone else who would deal with people over the phone through an extensive training period. The object was, when the girl called, to hook the sale so that she wouldn’t get an abortion somewhere else, or adopt out her baby, or change her mind. We were doing it for the money.”
–Nina Whitten, chief secretary at a Dallas abortion clinic under Dr. Curtis Boyd

“Every woman has these same two questions: First, “Is it a baby?” “No” the counselor assures her. “It is a product of conception (or a blood clot, or a piece of tissue). . .How many women would have an abortion, if they told them the truth?”
–Carol Everett, former owner of two clinics and director of four “A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic” by Carol Everett ALL About Issues magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117

“If a woman we were counseling expressed doubts about having an abortion, we would say whatever was necessary to persuade her to abort immediately.”
–Judy W., former office manager of the second largest abortion clinic in El Paso, Texas

"We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses] They always wanted to know the sex, but we lied and said it was too early to tell. It’s better for the women to think of the fetus as an ‘it’.
–Abortion clinic worker Norma Eidelman quoted in Rachel Weeping p 34

“The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of a hat. She would find their weakness and work on it. The women were never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is to have a baby.”
–former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film “Meet the Abortion Providers” 1989

“When discussing the sonogram, you are supposed to tell the client that it is a measurement as far as the pregnancy is concerned, but not a measure of the fetal head or anything like that.”
–Rosemary Petruso, on her training to be an abortion counselor. Her story appeared in the St.

“Sometimes we lied. A girl might ask what her baby was like at a certain point in the pregnancy: Was it a baby yet? Even as early as 12 weeks a baby is totally formed, he has fingerprints, turns his head, fans his toes, feels pain. But we would say ‘It’s not a baby yet. It’s just tissue, like a clot.’”
–Kathy Sparks told in “The Conversion of Kathy Sparks” by Gloria Williamson, Christian Herald Jan 1986 p 28

 

[Grace_Angel]

Yes, it should be. At most CPC, a woman can get one for free. But if she asks to see the screen gasp at an abortuary, she usually is refused. This is probably because something like 90% of women who are abortion vulnerable change their minds about abortion once they see their child on the screen. The new 3D and 4Ds are especially helpful with this, if those are available.

Abortion does nothing to keep women educated. Abortion simply kills children in the womb. There is no education for women here.
Indeed all that there is for women after an abortion is lifelong grief, regret, sorrow. Yes even those who say they are OK with the experience.
GraceAngel