Abortion - Killing Abortion Doctors

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My theology teacher told us that we can’t walk into an abortion clinic and kill the doctor because the end doesn’t justify the means.

If I see someone on the street being murdered, I can stop it from happening, even if it results in the death of the attacker.

What’s the difference?
 
The real difference is that pro death people have made abortion to be something less than murder in mosts eyes and a woman’s choice in others.

If you see a person killing a 1 day old child, would be justified by almost everyone to stop the person from killing the child however you could, but the law does not allow the same to save a child in the same manner if 1 day away from being born.

I wonder all the time how God will judge a person who does stop abortion in this way.

I think that anyone who truly believes that abortion is murder would feel the same.
PeteZaHut said:
My theology teacher told us that we can’t walk into an abortion clinic and kill the doctor because the end doesn’t justify the means.

If I see someone on the street being murdered, I can stop it from happening, even if it results in the death of the attacker.

What’s the difference?
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You can never kill someone to stop even a thousand murders unless you’ve exhausted every reasonable option short of murder (and there are plenty of 'em) first. And you can’t lay a finger on them or their property illegally unless you’ve exhausted every reasonable legal means (and there are plenty of them) to stop 'em.

Then you’ve got to way up the fact that in the community’s eyes you’ve made a martyr of this person by killing them. More sympathy for other abortionists resulting, more freedom for them to do their thing.

And the person whose unaborted child gets a temporary reprieve from you killing the doctor will only go and find another one and have the abortion the next day, or in a week or a month, so how much have you really accomplished? 🤷

Take heart though. For one thing huge malpractice and insurance rates are cutting into the business of many many doctors - and surgeons, obstetricians and gynaecologists (who’d usually be those involved in abortion) are the hardest hit.

In the meantime, pray, educate our young and not so young about teh fact that life begins at conception, and pressure our politicians to illegalise abortion adn provide more care for those who need help with their children - these actions will do as much good as any number of murders.
 
The problem is you really aren’t saving anyone by murdering the abortonist or bombing the clinic. The women will just go elsewhere. All you have accomplished is murdering people and adding to sin.
 
LilyM said:
You can never kill someone to stop even a thousand murders unless you’ve exhausted every reasonable option short of murder (and there are plenty of 'em) first.
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When the blade is approaching the baby, there are not plenty of options short of physical restraint of some sort to prevent a murder from taking place. Note that murder is never justified, ever. Not only in abortion cases, but it is also not justified in protecting ones family nor in self defense as well.
And you can’t lay a finger on them or their property illegally unless you’ve exhausted every reasonable legal means (and there are plenty of them) to stop 'em.
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When the blade is approaching the baby, there are not plenty of reasonable legal means available short of physical restraint. I know of one father who was able to save his child’s life by rushing in and making himself a physical barrier between the abortionist and his child. Granted, he was arrested for trespassing (which was later dismissed) but the life of his child was spared as the mother had a change of heart. Who is to blame the father for doing what it takes to save his child.
Then you’ve got to way up the fact that in the community’s eyes you’ve made a martyr of this person by killing them. More sympathy for other abortionists resulting, more freedom for them to do their thing.
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The morality of a particular action is not dependent on the publicity resulting from the action. In the above instance, actually it was more or less kept silent so as not to promote the fact that a baby was spared from an abortion.
And the person whose unaborted child gets a temporary reprieve from you killing the doctor will only go and find another one and have the abortion the next day, or in a week or a month, so how much have you really accomplished?
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What is accomplished is the babies life is saved. It is irrelevent whether someone who’s life is saved one day winds up dying or getting murdered the next. Does this mean don’t save someones life because it is uncertain how long they are going to live afterwards? None of us know whether we will live to see tomorrow.
 
PeteZaHut said:
My theology teacher told us that we can’t walk into an abortion clinic and kill the doctor because the end doesn’t justify the means.

If I see someone on the street being murdered, I can stop it from happening, even if it results in the death of the attacker.

What’s the difference?
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Notice the difference in terminology in the two scenarios. Walking into an abortion clinic and ‘killing the doctor’ versus stopping a murder on the street from happening even if ‘it results in death’. An action to prevent a murder from occuring which also happens to result in death is not the same as direct murder.
 
mapleoak said:
Note that murder is never justified, ever. Not only in abortion cases, but it is also not justified in protecting ones family nor in self defense as well.
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Well, it wouldn’t be murder if it was necessary to protect one’s family or oneself, right?

Odd scenario, but it just came to mind: A man breaks into my house with a gun and is holding my family on the first floor. I am on the second floor, and the intruder doesn’t know that I am there. I call the police, but the intruder still could kill my family at any second. I have a gun. If I walk up behind him and tell him to put his gun down, he could still shoot my family before I could shoot him. If I shoot him in the leg, he may still be able to shoot my family. If I aim for his gun hand, I might miss, and he would shoot my family. The only sure way to safe my family in this case is to shoot him in a place where it will incapacitate him, probably ending his life. Is that wrong?
 
PeteZaHut said:
My theology teacher told us that we can’t walk into an abortion clinic and kill the doctor because the end doesn’t justify the means.

If I see someone on the street being murdered, I can stop it from happening, even if it results in the death of the attacker.

What’s the difference?
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This is an unpolished question, but a fair one.

However, what do you say about those who stand outside abortion clinics praying for those including the unborn babies inside? Are you saying that they are standing in some ways idlely by while murderous abortion is taking place?
 
mapleoak said:
Notice the difference in terminology in the two scenarios. Walking into an abortion clinic and ‘killing the doctor’ versus stopping a murder on the street from happening even if ‘it results in death’. An action to prevent a murder from occuring which also happens to result in death is not the same as direct murder.
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How come American Christians (including Catholics) approve of the death penaly then? Shouldnt you just lock dangerous criminals up for life.
 
MH84 said:
How come American Christians (including Catholics) approve of the death penaly then? Shouldnt you just lock dangerous criminals up for life.
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If you are own this site enough you will see that Catholics are much more divided over the death penalty then other Christian denominations.
 
wjp984 said:
The problem is you really aren’t saving anyone by murdering the abortonist or bombing the clinic. The women will just go elsewhere. All you have accomplished is murdering people and adding to sin.
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You have a point here, but arent we in denial here, because otherwise we would be compelled to go to abortion clinics and forcebly stop these ‘doctors’.

Btw you still would be saving the unborn baby, just as we support the terminally ill as best as we could.
 
MH84 said:
How come American Christians (including Catholics) approve of the death penaly then? Shouldnt you just lock dangerous criminals up for life.
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That’s a rather broad statement. Catholic teaching opposes the death penalty except when there’s no other way to protect society (including other inmates and correctional staff) from the individual.

I used to be in favor of the death penalty. However, my understanding of the conditions in prison has led me to believe that in some cases, capital punishment would be giving the criminal a pass compared to a hellish existance in the prison environment. Never having experienced such an existance, I can only go from what I’ve heard, read and seen on TV, which admittedly may be inaccurate.

Unfortunately, locking them up for life isn’t always an option as our prisons get overcrowded and our state budgets don’t allow for the building of as many prisons as we really need. 😦
 
Newbie2 said:
…Unfortunately, locking them up for life isn’t always an option as our prisons get overcrowded and our state budgets don’t allow for the building of as many prisons as we really need. 😦
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Thats not an excuse for executing them though.
 
deb1 said:
If you are own this site enough you will see that Catholics are much more divided over the death penalty then other Christian denominations.
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Whoops! I meant if you are on this site enough, not if you own this site enough.😦
 
MH84 said:
This is an unpolished question, but a fair one.

However, what do you say about those who stand outside abortion clinics praying for those including the unborn babies inside? Are you saying that they are standing in some ways idlely by while murderous abortion is taking place?
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Certainly not. Good for them to be doing that. I wasn’t trying to condemn anyone that does that. I am just trying to get a better understanding of how the end does not justify the means.
 
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