Abortion leads to excommunication; why not homicide?

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Automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church follows cooperation in an abortion. (CCC 2272)

Although homicide of any person once born is clearly a very grave mortal sin it does not (unless I’m wrong) entail excommunication.

Why is there this difference?
 
Automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church follows cooperation in an abortion. (CCC 2272)

Although homicide of any person once born is clearly a very grave mortal sin it does not (unless I’m wrong) entail excommunication.

Why is there this difference?
Because today’s laws generally differentiate between murder and abortion, the Church goes the extra step of publicizing the fact that abortion IS murder.

Just in case one can’t figure it out for himself, you see.
 
Because today’s laws generally differentiate between murder and abortion, the Church goes the extra step of publicizing the fact that abortion IS murder.

Just in case one can’t figure it out for himself, you see.
With all respect Mark, I read the OP as a question of church law, not the Church’s response to civil law. I think the OP is asking why the Church doesn’t excommunicate for murder. If we hold that abortion is the intentional taking of a life, the OP, as I read it, is asking why the taking of a life, murder, isn’t an excommunicable offense?

Again, with all respect, your answer seems to equate, (or at least link) excommunication with a publicity component to the world at large, which it isn’t. (although I concede that excom is a public statement and a vehicle for recommunication … but within the Church)
 
That’s a fair question. I’ll hazard a guess as I don’t know for sure; however, I would say that abortion is the gravest of offenses because it is terminating life that is the most innocent and most vulnerable. It is the highest blasphemy of the natural law as it acknowledges the logical outcome of a sexual union and then premeditates the end of the individual created by God’s will.

Additionally, many Catholics are easily swayed by the popular culture that views abortion as an acceptable form of birth control while no one views murder as acceptable behavior. In a sense the Church is letting the faithful know not to be fooled by the law of man and that there are indeed grave consequences to killing the unborn.

That’s my guess…I could be wrong. Bottom line is that either sin is mortal and places you outside of communion with Christ and the Church. Excommunication simply takes away any subjectivity that one might be tempted to entertain.
 
Although I am not a practicing Catholic, it is probably because the church regards abortion as a form of homicide that it attaches the penalty of excommunication to those who procure it or assist someone to obtain it.
 
Is it really enforced, though? Does anyone know a woman who is Catholic, had an abortion and was excommunicated because of it? I’ve never heard of it actually happening.🤷
 
Is it really enforced, though? Does anyone know a woman who is Catholic, had an abortion and was excommunicated because of it? I’ve never heard of it actually happening.🤷
The excommuniation is automatic (does not require a bishop to pronounce it), and is incurred by the very act of getting an abortion .
 
The excommuniation is automatic (does not require a bishop to pronounce it), and is incurred by the very act of getting an abortion .
:confused: Do you have a reference for that? Excommunication, as I understand it, is a formal process. From the Catholic Encyclopedia newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm :

Who can excommunicate?
Excommunication is an act of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, the rules of which it follows. Hence the general principle: whoever has jurisdiction in the forum externum, properly so called, can excommunicate, but only his own subjects. Therefore, whether excommunications be a jure (by the law) or ab homine (under form of sentence or precept), they may come from the pope alone or a general council for the entire Church; from the provincial council for an ecclesiastical province; from the bishop for his diocese; from the prelate nullius for quasi-diocesan territories; and from regular prelates for religious orders. Moreover, anyone can excommunicate who, by virtue of his office, even when delegated, has contentious jurisdiction in the forum externum; for instance, papal legates, vicars capitular, and vicars-general. But a parish priest cannot inflict this penalty nor even declare that it is incurred, i.e. he cannot do so in an official and judicial manner. The subjects of these various authorities are those who come under their jurisdiction chiefly on account of domicile or quasi-domicile in their territory; then by reason of the offence committed while on such territory; and finally by reason of personal right, as in the case of regulars.
 
:confused: Do you have a reference for that? Excommunication, as I understand it, is a formal process. From the Catholic Encyclopedia newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm :

Who can excommunicate?
Excommunication is an act of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, the rules of which it follows. Hence the general principle: whoever has jurisdiction in the forum externum, properly so called, can excommunicate, but only his own subjects. Therefore, whether excommunications be a jure (by the law) or ab homine (under form of sentence or precept), they may come from the pope alone or a general council for the entire Church; from the provincial council for an ecclesiastical province; from the bishop for his diocese; from the prelate nullius for quasi-diocesan territories; and from regular prelates for religious orders. Moreover, anyone can excommunicate who, by virtue of his office, even when delegated, has contentious jurisdiction in the forum externum; for instance, papal legates, vicars capitular, and vicars-general. But a parish priest cannot inflict this penalty nor even declare that it is incurred, i.e. he cannot do so in an official and judicial manner. The subjects of these various authorities are those who come under their jurisdiction chiefly on account of domicile or quasi-domicile in their territory; then by reason of the offence committed while on such territory; and finally by reason of personal right, as in the case of regulars.
sorry here’s my reference

Can. 1314 Generally, a penalty is ferendae sententiae, so that it does not bind the guilty party until after it has been imposed; if the law or precept expressly establishes it, however, a penalty is latae sententiae, so that it is incurred ipso facto when the delict is committed.

abortion is late sententiae

Can. 1398 A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
 
:confused: Do you have a reference for that? Excommunication, as I understand it, is a formal process. From the Catholic Encyclopedia newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm :

Who can excommunicate?
Excommunication is an act of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, the rules of which it follows. Hence the general principle: whoever has jurisdiction in the forum externum, properly so called, can excommunicate, but only his own subjects. Therefore, whether excommunications be a jure (by the law) or ab homine (under form of sentence or precept), they may come from the pope alone or a general council for the entire Church; from the provincial council for an ecclesiastical province; from the bishop for his diocese; from the prelate nullius for quasi-diocesan territories; and from regular prelates for religious orders. Moreover, anyone can excommunicate who, by virtue of his office, even when delegated, has contentious jurisdiction in the forum externum; for instance, papal legates, vicars capitular, and vicars-general. But a parish priest cannot inflict this penalty nor even declare that it is incurred, i.e. he cannot do so in an official and judicial manner. The subjects of these various authorities are those who come under their jurisdiction chiefly on account of domicile or quasi-domicile in their territory; then by reason of the offence committed while on such territory; and finally by reason of personal right, as in the case of regulars.
Latae sententiae is the type of excommunication you are looking for.
 
Didn’t know that. I guess one learns something new every day.

So a woman who had an abortion would need to do what to be received back into the church? Obviously confession would be necessary, but she couldn’t confess until being accepted back into the church. I assume there’s some sort of formal process.

Odd, I think that I would have heard of this before, abortion being relatively common (maybe not so among Catholic women?).

Anyway, good to know, thanks.
 
Didn’t know that. I guess one learns something new every day.

So a woman who had an abortion would need to do what to be received back into the church? Obviously confession would be necessary, but she couldn’t confess until being accepted back into the church. I assume there’s some sort of formal process.

Odd, I think that I would have heard of this before, abortion being relatively common (maybe not so among Catholic women?).

Anyway, good to know, thanks.
I believe most bishops have given the power to the priests to lift excommunication from women who have had an abortion in the confessional. I think reason is, that in the US anyways, abortions are legal and “easy” to get, as well as the secular culture saying it’s “okay.”
 
Getting back on topic, we have not really answered the question which is based on Canon Law. I believe the OP wants to know:

Given that if you have an abortion you are automatically excommunicated.

However, if you deliver that baby live and then immediately kill it, you are not automatically excommunicated. Why?
First, let’s settle on what we agree on: Both acts are grievous mortal sins. (I will not use “homicide” to avoid side discussions related to civil law and the status of the fetus).

To understand the reason why one is an automatic excommunication and the other is not, you have to understand what excommunication is. It is NOT a punishment for a wrong doing. It is “tough love” to force the sinner to acknowledge what they have done and to seek forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ through His Church. Excommunication does not throw one out of the Church. It bars one from the sacraments until they reconcile.

The taking of life is not always sinful. For example, it would not be a sin to take the life of someone who was trying to kill my family or to take the life of a combatant in a just war. So it would be problematic for the Church to throw a blanket excommunication writ on the taking of a human life.

Abortion, on the other hand, is by definition always the taking of an innocent soul and can never not be a sin. That being the case, there is no “grey area” that can be argued and formal automatic excommunication can be applied in all cases.

Does that help any?
 
(Brothers and sisters…
just so we dont forget it: very often its the father that presses the mother to have an abortion… it happens that the two disagree but it may be both the man and the woman that is the primary sinner in this… so lets talk about the parents instead of only the mother… certainly excommunication also comes into effect for the daddy who choses to terminate the life of his child…)
 
(Brothers and sisters…
just so we dont forget it: very often its the father that presses the mother to have an abortion… it happens that the two disagree but it may be both the man and the woman that is the primary sinner in this… so lets talk about the parents instead of only the mother… certainly excommunication also comes into effect for the daddy who choses to terminate the life of his child…)
You are absolutely right. Let’s also not forget the doctor and nurses assisting.
 
With all respect Mark, I read the OP as a question of church law, not the Church’s response to civil law. I think the OP is asking why the Church doesn’t excommunicate for murder. If we hold that abortion is the intentional taking of a life, the OP, as I read it, is asking why the taking of a life, murder, isn’t an excommunicable offense?

Again, with all respect, your answer seems to equate, (or at least link) excommunication with a publicity component to the world at large, which it isn’t. (although I concede that excom is a public statement and a vehicle for recommunication … but within the Church)
I’m sorry. The very first words of my post should have read:

"If I had to take a wild guess. . . "

Why not excommunicate for unrepentant adultry or coveting or taking the Lord’s name in vain?

It may come to that one day as society seems to have a more and more unclear notion of right and wrong.
 
Abortion is more severe than murder because of the victim. The victim is a child who has no ability to defend itself and is being killed by its own parent(s). Now, if you commit murder, you cannot recieve the sacraments either. Now, murder can be accidental, it can be committed in an emotional state and usually can happen very quickly. I imagine that a premeditated murder is different. Now, abortion takes time and to sit there and allow something to happen to kill an innocent child is soooo wrong. Also, these children are not even given the oppertunity to be baptized. A murdered adult might have been baptized already, but the unborn child most likey was not. That makes a difference because we don’t know what happens to these unbaptized victims. (Not for sure, anyways). Also, this is one of those things that common sense dictates as wrong, therfore if you have an abortion (or talk someone into, or perform one) you shouldn’t have to be told that what you did was wrong. So, I thinkthat what the church is saying is that a catholic who participates, no matter their personal beliefs, is in a state of mortal sin and cannot recieve the sacraments without incurring more sins until they repent. All catholics should know that abortion is wrong and the church is not leaving room for interpretation in this issue.
 
Automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church follows cooperation in an abortion. (CCC 2272)

Although homicide of any person once born is clearly a very grave mortal sin it does not (unless I’m wrong) entail excommunication.

Why is there this difference?
The prohibition against homicide has been deliberated for centuries by the great thinkers of the Church. While murder is a grave sin, there are justifications, excuses, and defenses to certain types of homicide, such as the concept of a “just war”, the justification of “defense of others” to name a couple.

The prohibition against abortion is relatively new in comparison. Already, some in the Church have carved out an exception for cases like a tubal pregnancy wherein removal of the fetus is necessary to save the life of the mother and where the objective is not the killing of the fetus. As time goes by, the Church’s teachings on abortion may evolve.
 
They have this dart board in the office divided in sections with labels like “venial,” “mortal,” “heretical,” “excommunicate”…

Matthew
 
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