Abortion & Porn Hold That Preeminence

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Fictionlized killing (violent movies) is not the same thing as actual murder. One devalues human life and the other devalues life and destroys life

There is this serial killer Ted Bundy. In his video taped testimony, he explained how he was raised in good christian family. He became serial killer because of his addiction to violent porn he watched, left him so empty that he began to have urge to satisfy himself by doing it for real.

 

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Can you point me to the data?

Well, probably we can ask which teen not exposed to porn? If they do, and one of them have abortion, that abortion happens, not because she follow catholic teaching. She follow what porn promotes.

 

[Lysander]

Correlation does not imply causation. The amount of people watching violent movies is a decent percentage of the population. But violent crime is actually dropping. With Ted Bundy there were more than one reason he did it. And like the many prolife people I don’t like porn and think it is a sin (not all sins are created equal). Why do you keep creating new threads that talk about the same thing?

 

[TheLittleLady]

You realize that adult women have abortions. In fact, far more adult women than teens have abortions

Adolescents made up 12% of abortion patients in 2014: Those aged 18–19 accounted for 8% of all abortions, 15–17-year-olds for 3% and those younger than 15 for 0.2%.

Source: Induced Abortion in the United States | Guttmacher Institute

 

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But violent crime is actually dropping.

Really?

I think violent crime increases, and it has something to do with how we allow ourselves being entertained by violence

 

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You realize that adult women have abortions. In fact, far more adult women than teens have abortions

Abortion is not merely statistic about women.

It is also about the men, which is not reflected in those statistics

 

[TheLittleLady]

There is a direct one to one correlation for men, so, the statistics would be virtually the same. A woman gets pregnant by one man.

 

[Lysander]

Here is the Stats:

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.

www.pewresearch.org

Careful with the Panic: Violent Crime and Gun Crime Are Both Dropping | National Review

A look at violent crime rates in the United States.

www.nationalreview.com

In USA, the crime rate as reported by the FBI has dropped 51% from 1993 to 2018. Remember that news will over dramatize current events because viewers and clicks online make them money.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Where are you getting your statistics? What I think does not really matter, what does the data show us?

 

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There is a direct one to one correlation for men, so, the statistics would be virtually the same. A woman gets pregnant by one man.

Right. And those men, do they watch porn? Is there statistic for that? I bet not yet.

 

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In USA, the crime rate as reported by the FBI has dropped 51% from 1993 to 2018.

Well, probably because recently many repent & comeback to church.

I have neen praying that violent movies don’t sell.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Some of the leading studies are referenced in this article.

When Is Porn Use a Problem?

How do relationship and sexual satisfaction affect couples' use of pornography? New research provides guidance for when porn use is likely to become detrimental.

www.psychologytoday.com

What I am asking is if you have anything other than a personal feeling that people who watch porn have more abortions?

 

[Lysander]

So you agree Violent crime (in USA) has been declining?

 

[francisca.chapter3]

What I am asking is if you have anything other than a personal feeling that people who watch porn have more abortions?

Porn clearly has successfully change our human society to the direction opposite to moral sexual behavior.

 

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So you agree Violent crime (in USA) has been declining?

If the statistic you shows reliable.

 

[Lysander]

I aren’t disagreeing that Porn has had a vastly negative contribution to society. You are being asked for DATA that backs up the exact statements you are making. DATA that points to Porn being on the same level of sin as Abortion. Data that gives causation to the statement that all conception out of marriage is because of Porn and not also affected my drug abuse, people growing up with broken marriages (that discourage them from getting married).

 

[Lysander]

Data is from the Federal Bureau of Investigation which is the leading police/investigative part of the American Government, so yes it is. It has the ability to ask for the data from local police departments and the ability to calculate the data.

 

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DATA that points to Porn being on the same level of sin as Abortion.

According to catholic teaching, porn is as mortal a sin as abortion.

Data that gives causation to the statement that all conception out of marriage is because of Porn

It doesn’t have to be “all” in order to establish statistic relation.

and not also affected my drug abuse, people growing up with broken marriages (that discourage them from getting married)

It doesn’t have to be exclusive from other things in order to establish causal relation. In fact, I would offer a hypothesis that the prevalent use of drug abuse and broken marriage are indirectly caused by a culture that accepts immoral sexual behavior resulting in heartbreak and divorces

 

[Lysander]

Can you please read your original post and give data/stats for those claims. I am not asking for all to be proven, stats don’t work that way. And a causal relation doesn’t imply causation. You are stating that Porn is the root cause for Abortion. While I agree Porn degrades humanity dignity, I don’t see how it is the root cause of abortion. And needs to always be mentioned at Prolife rallies against Abortion.

 

[Jen7]

By equating porn (misdirected sex instinct) with abortion (murder), you’re diminishing the seriousness of murder.

I don’t think he’s equating them. It more like they are two sides of the same coin. Contraception takes the openness-to-life out of sex & porn takes the unity out of sex. Those are the two “ends” of sex. Preaching against one without preaching against the other is missing something big. Incidentally, both promote a mentality that sex is for my own fun / pleasure & can lead to violence when that aim is frustrated by (ironically) one of the two true aims of sex.