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Charleston, SC – An abortion practitioner reportedly brandished a gun when heading to do abortions at the Charleston Women’s Medical Center abortion facility in West Ashley, South Carolina on Saturday morning. Gary Boyle, 62, lives in Tennessee, but does abortions at the facility near Charleston.

LifeNews.com/state5511.html
 
**We’re surprised that a “doctor (someones dedicated to saving lives!)” who murders innocent babies for $$$$$, would pull a gun on people praying for the souls of those he murdered???

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei,ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae!!!**

mark
 
They are like Banquo’s ghost to him, haunting his nightmares with the truth. No wonder he wishes them away.
 
Abortion Practitioner Points Gun at Praying Pro-Life Advocates

Charleston, SC – An abortion practitioner reportedly brandished a gun when heading to do abortions at the Charleston Women’s Medical Center abortion facility in West Ashley, South Carolina on Saturday morning. Gary Boyle, 62, lives in Tennessee, but does abortions at the facility near Charleston.

LifeNews.com/state5511.html
He “pulled a gun.”
He “brandished a gun.”
He “produced a gun.”

Just what did he do?

Did he aim and fire? No.

Too many versions of the “truth.”

tammy57
 
Mark77 says: “We’re surprised that a “doctor (someones dedicated to saving lives!)” who murders innocent babies for $$$$$, would pull a gun on people praying for the souls of those he murdered???”

Is this any different than pro-lifer Shelley Shannon shooting George Tiller in both arms to try to get him to stop performing abortions, or anti-abortionist Scott Roeder shooting Tiller through the eye at close range in the vestibule of his church on a Sunday morning?

There’s no end to this. Not until adults learn that they do not have the power or the privilege to make decisions for other adults.

tammy57
 
He “pulled a gun.”
He “brandished a gun.”
He “produced a gun.”

Just what did he do?

Did he aim and fire? No.

Too many versions of the “truth.”

tammy57
Umm, how is “produced a gun” and “pulled a gun” different? They describe the same thing. “brandished a gun” carries the extra connotation that he waved it around, but it in no way does it make the other statements any less true. 🤷

Just because he didn’t pull the trigger does not make what he did not a crime. Is it a lesser crime than actually shooting someone? Yes, but it is still a crime. If someone goes in to store and pulls up his shirt to reveal a gun and then proceeds to take a candy bar he is guilty of more than just theft.

Nobody here thinks what Roeder did was acceptable, and he should be in prison for the rest of his life. We just expect pro-“choicers” to do the same. (Of course the irony of expecting someone who kills for a job, to respect the dignity of any life, has already been pointed out).
 
He “pulled a gun.”
He “brandished a gun.”
He “produced a gun.”

Just what did he do?

Did he aim and fire? No.

Too many versions of the “truth.”

tammy57
We could actually read the story:

Lifenews said:
“When we come out, I’m going to put a bullet in your head if you talk to her,” the man told the pro-life women, whose identities pro-life advocates are withholding to protect their security.

Former Operation Rescue intern Bud Shaver said the man then lifted his shirt to reveal a dark object to the two pro-life women that they described as looking like a gun. The women called police who, Shaver said, “responded appropriately and took him away in handcuffs.”

So he made a threat and showed the weapon. While I am not sure whether SC law recognizes clinics as public buildings, but if so it is illegal “to display, brandish, or threaten others with a firearm” those on that property (2 out of 3).
 
This is disgusting.

And yes the Dr. Tiller murder was also disgusting but…

This thread is not about that. Why did you bring it up?

It doesn’t make this case any less wrong.
 
This is disgusting.

And yes the Dr. Tiller murder was also disgusting but…

This thread is not about that. Why did you bring it up?

It doesn’t make this case any less wrong.
This was a doctor who carried a gun. Among other things, he performed abortions. Oh, he produced (pulled up his shirt and showed) / pulled (took his gun out of his belt) / brandished (waved) / the gun! He’s a bad man who committed a horrible crime! Let’s arrest him, say the pro-lifers.

Tiller was a doctor, too. Among other things, he performed abortions. Think I’ll shoot him in both arms so he can’t work anymore!, said the pro-lifer. Or, he was handing out leaflets in the vestibule of his church on a Sunday morning! Let’s shoot him in the eye and kill him, said the pro-lifer.

Can you not see how your message loses value when people like Shannon and Roeder take action - decidedly non-life-affirming action? This is why I brought it up.

And are you genuinely surprised that some abortion providers carry sidearms?

tammy57
 
CD Nowak: "We could actually read the story:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lifenews
*“When we come out, I’m going to put a bullet in your head if you talk to her,” the man told the pro-life women, whose identities pro-life advocates are withholding to protect their security.

Former Operation Rescue intern Bud Shaver said the man then lifted his shirt to reveal a dark object to the two pro-life women that they described as looking like a gun. The women called police who, Shaver said, “responded appropriately and took him away in handcuffs.”*

Actually, when we read the whole story, this is what we find:
*
"Boyle’s arrest comes two months after a man was arrested outside a late-term abortion facility in New Mexico after he threatened to shoot two pro-life women providing alternatives to women going to the Southwestern Women’s Options abortion center.

The abortion center is operated by late-term abortion practitioner Curtis Boyd.

The man reportedly became angry and ushered his family towards the abortion clinic.

“When we come out, I’m going to put a bullet in your head if you talk to her,” the man told the pro-life women, whose identities pro-life advocates are withholding to protect their security."*

This man was not the doctor in question, the one who “produced” a firearm. Let’s not confuse or exaggerate the nature of the doctor’s crime here.

tammy57
 
Umm, how is “produced a gun” and “pulled a gun” different? They describe the same thing. “brandished a gun” carries the extra connotation that he waved it around, but it in no way does it make the other statements any less true. 🤷

Just because he didn’t pull the trigger does not make what he did not a crime. Is it a lesser crime than actually shooting someone? Yes, but it is still a crime. If someone goes in to store and pulls up his shirt to reveal a gun and then proceeds to take a candy bar he is guilty of more than just theft.

Nobody here thinks what Roeder did was acceptable, and he should be in prison for the rest of his life. We just expect pro-“choicers” to do the same. (Of course the irony of expecting someone who kills for a job, to respect the dignity of any life, has already been pointed out).
I have not said one way or the other if I believe the doctor’s actions to be criminal. And how can you claim to know that “nobody here thinks what Roeder did was acceptable”? You cannot possibly know that with any degree of certainty.

What is it that you “expect pro-choicers to do”, jilly4ski?

tammy57
 
I have not said one way or the other if I believe the doctor’s actions to be criminal. And how can you claim to know that “nobody here thinks what Roeder did was acceptable”? You cannot possibly know that with any degree of certainty.

What is it that you “expect pro-choicers to do”, jilly4ski?

tammy57
We expect everyone (including pro-“choicers”) to repudiate criminal activity. Threatening someone with a gun is criminal activity, not to mention immoral. 🤷

And I “know” everyone here (as in on this thread) thinks that what Roeder did was wrong, because to say this is wrong and not say what Roeder did was wrong are not compatible positions. Those who think what Roeder did is A.O.K would not be on this thread, because their position would be illogical and indefensible. Not to mention, you were the one who brought up this example. No one else mentioned this because bad acts by one person doesn’t mean that others can do bad acts. Instead of agreeing that what this man did was wrong, you brought up examples of other people doing bad things. For what purpose, I am not sure as you have yet to make your point clear.
 
This was a doctor who carried a gun. Among other things, he performed abortions. Oh, he produced (pulled up his shirt and showed) / pulled (took his gun out of his belt) / brandished (waved) / the gun! He’s a bad man who committed a horrible crime! Let’s arrest him, say the pro-lifers.

Tiller was a doctor, too. Among other things, he performed abortions. Think I’ll shoot him in both arms so he can’t work anymore!, said the pro-lifer. Or, he was handing out leaflets in the vestibule of his church on a Sunday morning! Let’s shoot him in the eye and kill him, said the pro-lifer.

Can you not see how your message loses value when people like Shannon and Roeder take action - decidedly non-life-affirming action? This is why I brought it up.

And are you genuinely surprised that some abortion providers carry sidearms?

tammy57
I’m seriously confused. What exactly is your point? Are you automatically inclined to support someone just because they’re pro choice?
 
I have not said one way or the other if I believe the doctor’s actions to be criminal. And how can you claim to know that “nobody here thinks what Roeder did was acceptable”? You cannot possibly know that with any degree of certainty.

What is it that you “expect pro-choicers to do”, jilly4ski?

tammy57
Are you seriously trying to suggest that in any universe what this man did was justified? I certainly hope not, or you are most definetly completely lost and confused.
 
Are you seriously trying to suggest that in any universe what this man did was justified? I certainly hope not, or you are most definetly completely lost and confused.
jilly4ski: I will repudiate criminal activity if and when it is proven to me that this is what has taken place. Bear in mind that abortion is NOT criminal activity in most parts of the United States. The point I have made over and over, which you refuse to even try to understand, is this: “Can you not see how your message loses value when people like Shannon and Roeder take action - decidedly non-life-affirming action? This is why I brought it up.” Your pro-life, all-life-is-precious mentality gets tarnished when a person who claims to represent your cause begins shooting people to death. Is that easier to understand? Good. Now, has this poor criminal with the gun lost a couple of value points as a life-form since he tried to persuade his girlfriend to terminate their pregnancy? Certainly he’s not as precious as, say, an 18-month-old on a baby swing or a four-year-old delighting her parents when she reads to them from a Little Golden Book. Is he?

I am curious to know whether anyone on this forum reads and believes lock, stock and barrel anything besides “LifeNews”.

**thirdworld:**I believe in individual conscience. If an adult chooses to break the law, s/he will suffer the moral and legal consequences. If someone walks up to me and shoots me in the eye and ends my life, it will not have been because s/he was “possessed by the devil.” We all have free will. That may have been a poor choice, but the possibility always exists that free will can take a sour turn. I believe there will be consequences, and that those consequences will have nothing to do with you unless you are seated as a juror in the hypothetical murder trial. I believe you will follow your conscience and your moral code and do what you think is right under those circumstances. Of course, it will make no difference to me, as I will be roasting in Hell with Jack Kerouac, Louis Malle, Anthony Quinn and Hitler.

I am inclined to support choice. I support no individual on the subject until we’ve discussed what that means.

crazzeto: What the man did was justified in HIS universe. And his mission was unsuccessful, which indicates it was poorly planned and executed. I have no reason to either defend him or disparage him. He will suffer the consequences of his actions. He stands as a poster boy for the problem of unplanned pregnancy in my mind. Nothing more.

tammy57
 
jilly4ski: I will repudiate criminal activity if and when it is proven to me that this is what has taken place. Bear in mind that abortion is NOT criminal activity in most parts of the United States. The point I have made over and over, which you refuse to even try to understand, is this: “Can you not see how your message loses value when people like Shannon and Roeder take action - decidedly non-life-affirming action? This is why I brought it up.” Your pro-life, all-life-is-precious mentality gets tarnished when a person who claims to represent your cause begins shooting people to death. Is that easier to understand? Good. Now, has this poor criminal with the gun lost a couple of value points as a life-form since he tried to persuade his girlfriend to terminate their pregnancy? Certainly he’s not as precious as, say, an 18-month-old on a baby swing or a four-year-old delighting her parents when she reads to them from a Little Golden Book. Is he?

I am curious to know whether anyone on this forum reads and believes lock, stock and barrel anything besides “LifeNews”.

tammy57
The criminal activity as defined in this case would be kidnapping and assault, (or in a civil context she could sue him for false imprisonment and assault). 🤷

So you think my position gets tarnished by crazies like Shannon and Roeder take non-life affirming actions, but can’t see that the pro-“choice” position is weakened by crazies like this man who tried to take the woman’s “choice” away. I personally don’t think my pro-life position is harmed by the crazies because I think what they did was completely wrong. I would assume pro-“choicers” would be equally upset with this man, because if they see what he did (or tried to do) as morally reprehensible then it does not weaken their position as much. 🤷 (otherwise their position would be contradictory, how can abortion be a woman’s choice if a man can force her to have an abortion?)

And yes the very fact that people do not see what he did as awful, is scary, because it either means that they actually are pro-abortion despite saying that they are only “pro-choice,” or that they are ambivalent to violence and injustice in our world.

The fact that abortion is allowed because it is an issue of woman’s individual privacy and therefore a woman’s choice, then we as a society need to discuss, when a woman no longer has the choice, whether or not allowing abortion is fulfilling the purpose for which it was legalized.

We only have the news article in this case, I suppose in 6 months I could look up the case and see if he pleaded guilty or was found guilty or not in the court of law, but like I said it will take some time for this to move through the courts I am sure. So we assume what was reported was accurate, we do this with all articles not just with Life site news, because we cannot know otherwise and the outcome will probably not be reported.
 
The criminal activity as defined in this case would be kidnapping and assault, (or in a civil context she could sue him for false imprisonment and assault). 🤷

So you think my position gets tarnished by crazies like Shannon and Roeder take non-life affirming actions, but can’t see that the pro-“choice” position is weakened by crazies like this man who tried to take the woman’s “choice” away. I personally don’t think my pro-life position is harmed by the crazies because I think what they did was completely wrong. I would assume pro-“choicers” would be equally upset with this man, because if they see what he did (or tried to do) as morally reprehensible then it does not weaken their position as much. 🤷 (otherwise their position would be contradictory, how can abortion be a woman’s choice if a man can force her to have an abortion?)

And yes the very fact that people do not see what he did as awful, is scary, because it either means that they actually are pro-abortion despite saying that they are only “pro-choice,” or that they are ambivalent to violence and injustice in our world.

The fact that abortion is allowed because it is an issue of woman’s individual privacy and therefore a woman’s choice, then we as a society need to discuss, when a woman no longer has the choice, whether or not allowing abortion is fulfilling the purpose for which it was legalized.

We only have the news article in this case, I suppose in 6 months I could look up the case and see if he pleaded guilty or was found guilty or not in the court of law, but like I said it will take some time for this to move through the courts I am sure. So we assume what was reported was accurate, we do this with all articles not just with Life site news, because we cannot know otherwise and the outcome will probably not be reported.
I did not say your position gets harmed. I’m not certain what that means. I am saying that the pro-life message is harmed by irrationals, just as the pro-choice message takes a hit when an unbalanced pro-choice individual acts out. I would support this woman in her desire to carry her fetus and give birth. I would support her if she decided to marry this idiot. I would support her if she had a family of nine with him, if that was her choice.

Yes, he was attempting to deprive her of choice. Despicable, that. But she found a way to reinstate choice for herself when she gave the note to the medical staff at the abortion clinic. So I’m assuming that you support this choice … ?

We’ll never know anything about arraignment or trial or sentencing, because LifeNews will not find that part of the story newsworthy. It the inflammatory, headline-grabbing stuff that I find infuriating. It’s as manipulative as anything you will find in Vogue Magazine or Conde Nast Traveler. It appeals to the most prurient, voyeuristic sides of the reader.

Like I said, good marketing. Tune in for more drama tomorrow, when Lucius waves a 9 mm at his shop teacher.

tammy57
 
crazzeto: What the man did was justified in HIS universe. And his mission was unsuccessful, which indicates it was poorly planned and executed. I have no reason to either defend him or disparage him. He will suffer the consequences of his actions. He stands as a poster boy for the problem of unplanned pregnancy in my mind. Nothing more.

tammy57
Then you are truely lost, I guess in your world there can be no such thing as law… Because ultimately, all actions can said to be “justified in your own universe”. How truely sad. I hope you will not be offended if I pray for you, think of it this way if you are… Praying for you is justified in my universe, and God’s as well.
 
Then you are truely lost, I guess in your world there can be no such thing as law… Because ultimately, all actions can said to be “justified in your own universe”. How truely sad. I hope you will not be offended if I pray for you, think of it this way if you are… Praying for you is justified in my universe, and God’s as well.
Oh, there’s law, all right. But if you have ten people in a room, not all ten people will adhere to the law; some will believe they are above it, some choose to go around it or through it. Whether the infraction is immoral or illegal, there will be consequences. It’s none of my business what kind of time this joker does for threatening pro-lifers with a gun. It’s a drag that it happened, but it doesn’t impact me the same as, say, being shot by a pro-lifer might.

Pointing a gun at someone, while dramatic and scary, is not as offensive as doing so and pulling the trigger. Standing outside an abortion clinic and protesting, while dramatic, is not as offensive as doing so and pulling the verbal trigger: “Baby killer”, “You’ll burn in hell,” etc., ad nauseum. Both offenders are walking the same tightrope. There is no need for any of it. What the patients have chosen is private. I understand your calling to “do something”, but since Catholics are all about prayer, why not just pray? Why must you get all up in people’s faces with judgment and ugliness?

If I were a doctor who performed abortions, I would carry a gun.

Maybe the world I come from is more sinister than yours. This story just doesn’t rile me up.

tammy57
 
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