Abortion Punishment

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Most of us agree that abortion is murder. And therefore the question must come up, what should the punishment be, for either the mother or the abortionist.

Technically if I remember Politics right, a crime committed before it was deemed a crime cannot be punished. So everyone who has had an abortion, and every abortionist, cannot be charged with anything should the law be changed tomorrow.

But let’s say that that theoretically we could punish them for past crimes. How would you want the law to go?

I think that the abortionists themselves, many of whom have come out publicly stating that they knew it was murder when they did it, should be treated as, frankly, any old murderer of children.

With the mother, it’s another matter. The culture is terrible and has a great influence on these women. Many honestly don’t know or realize it’s murder. If they did, frankly, they probably wouldn’t be able to live with it. I’m taking into consideration scared teens, and also women that were forced. They should be helped… the brainwashing that gave them the idea that killing children is fine, their choice for their body, would make them unable to make a choice in this.

Or so I assume… it’s possible there are women who know it’s murder and do it because it’s legal. But I’d rather not think that.

After, though, when it’s established that it is murder, the women should be as culpable as any mother who would kill their child.

Now, I’m not saying women are weak because I’ve posed this as brainwashing. I posted this in a thread someone, a secular site, and was bombarded with making women out as weak. And we’re not… but given that stance, it has to be said that it’s brainwashing. Because no woman in her right mind would kill a child… and so she’s taught to believe it isn’t a child, and such a drastic change in thought has to fall under outside influences, hence the brainwashing.
 
I think the doctor should be punished and anyone who coerces the woman. That’s it.
 
I think the doctor should be punished and anyone who coerces the woman. That’s it.
How would it be proven that a person coerced a woman though? And what if the woman chose to have one on her own accord?
 
How would it be proven that a person coerced a woman though?
In a court of law using the same methods and criteria to determine any case of criminal coercion.
And what if the woman chose to have one on her own accord?
And nothing. Punish the abortionist. If found guilty, revoke his license, fine the heck out of him, and send him to jail. If he’s not licensed, make the fines bigger and the sentences longer.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
In a court of law using the same methods and criteria to determine any case of criminal coercion.

And nothing. Punish the abortionist. If found guilty, revoke his license, fine the heck out of him, and send him to jail. If he’s not licensed, make the fines bigger and the sentences longer.

– Mark L. Chance.
So you want to punish everyone except the person who makes the ultimate decision? I just don’t see how that is realistic. That’s like punishing a hit man, but not the person who ordered the hit.

With this coercion thing, it would still be his word against hers.
 
Obviously no sane woman would kill her own child.

The brainwashing and continuous propaganda that bombards our culture is a well planned campaign to ensure the billion dollar abortion industry can continue to make money.

While we are charged to stand up for the truth and to defend the innocent unborn children among us, it is God who will judge and punish accordingly.

We are asked to courageously spread and defend the Gospel of Life, no matter what the cost is to us.

We are ridiculed and mocked as intolerant, judgmental and hateful, yet they kill innocent babies.

We must show love and compassion as they will endure hell on earth, “transgression speaks to the wicked deep in his heart” (PS:36:1). I know firsthand, as I am one of the wicked.

Pray for the wicked!

Mark
 
Unfortunately, today, it is the “law of the land” to allow In-utero Child Abuse and murder.

Work to change the law…

People choose abortion to hide their sin.

People don’t believe in sin, there is no wrong. That is the sickness… you can make your own reality in our world today… such is freedom** without** responsibility…except for the Baby that is murdered.

I think Mothers and the Fathers should attend special classes where they are exposed to the brutal truth of the process… and the options of adoption or keeping the child… They should be told… "you will always be parents… abortion does not eliminate that fact… Your choice will result in a dead or living baby

If they still proceed, today there is no recourse…today.

We will each face judgment at God’s hands… for many, that is enough “delay of punishment / justice”… none of us get away with anything.
 
Unfortunately, today, it is the “law of the land” to allow In-utero Child Abuse and murder.

Work to change the law…
That being the case, any speculation or pipe dreams about punishing an abortionist for killing babies right up until a law forbidding the practice is fruitless. They can only be punished for what takes place after the law goes into effect.

Yes, double your efforts to change the law, but work harder to change hearts, because the law will not change until hearts are changed. Choose life.
 
I guess I have a simple answer to this question. How was abortion punished prior to 1973 in states that prohibited or limited abortion? That would be a good start.

How many women were in jail for abortion prior to R v W? None.
How many women had to be released from jail after R v W? None.

If abortion were prohibited or restricted, abortionists who broke the law would be punished. (Provided the law were enforced. Even now, it’s difficult for a prosecutor to even know when laws restricting abortion or types of abortion are being violated.)
 
As for those providing abortions and profitting from them, I have no difficulty seeing that as a highly classified felony.

As for the woman obtaining the abortion, the law already recognizes the influence of charged emotion over the taking of life (i.e. manslaughter, reckless homicide, wanton homicide, etc.). It is not very difficult to see such a person as a victim of the abortion state in some instances, and to recognize that her decisionmaking was impinged by certain circumstances. Lessening her culpability seems right to me. Whether that translates into a felony or misdemeanor charge is a matter for a legislature to consider. A male procurring an abortion for a female or assisting her in a substantial way should be seen in the same way.

Additional difficulties arise with abortifacient drugs including some forms of birth control. I do not think it is unreasonable to hope that the most offensive products (RU486) can be taken off the market and the remainder controlled in some significant way.
 
I agree with you. But how about the father of the child?
In a court of law using the same methods and criteria to determine any case of criminal coercion.

And nothing. Punish the abortionist. If found guilty, revoke his license, fine the heck out of him, and send him to jail. If he’s not licensed, make the fines bigger and the sentences longer.

– Mark L. Chance.
I think the abortionist should get a life sentence of delivering live, healthy babies, but not be paid a salary for doing so. In the end, just about everthing is about money.
 
I think the doctor should be punished and anyone who coerces the woman. That’s it.
Someone is murdered. Verdict automatic, father guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, abortionist guilty of murder, woman goes scott free cause of course she would never kill her child, its always gonna be someone elses fault since women are incapable haplings. No need for trials or juries. Ya! That’s the way the legal system should work. Okay! :rolleyes:
 
It should go along in the following steps:
First, abortion is outlawed.
Next, schools, public announcements and colleges teach people that abortion is murder and is illegal.
Then, shelters and hotlines pop up everywhere for women and girls who are being pressured to abort. The alternatives are explained, including prenatal care, open adoption, temporary foster care – anything it takes.
Then, organizations appear to help mothers find and arrange adoptions or whatever they need.
Then, abortionists who don’t stop performing abortions are arrested, tried and imprisoned.
Anyone who freely chooses to abort her child and anyone who tries to coerce anyone to abort or to perform an abortion is arrested, tried and imprisoned.
A mother who is injured by her abortion is counted as having already served her sentence.
The likelihood of such injury is made public knowledge and the woman is treated in a hospital.
Fathers have the same right to report an attempted or planned abortion as anyone else.
If there is no solid reason to suspect abortion and it is likely just an accidental miscarriage, there is no investigation. Investigation takes place only when there is reasonable cause to suspect abortion.
Penalties for abortion are mitigated when the woman is abused, underage, mentally ill, mentally delayed or disabled, or otherwise impaired.
These factors do not apply to abortionists who are doctors, because they are doctors and know better.
 
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