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billcu1
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If a child was going to be born with something wrong with it and during labor the mother’s life was in danger would abortion be alright then? Just a hypothetical. The mother could always have another.
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Christy_Beth
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If the mother’s life is in danger with this one, how can it be said that she could always have another? Besides, at that point a C-section could be done to save both lives. 
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billcu1
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Ok. I see. She might not be able to have another. I didn’t know a C-section answered all those problems.If the mother’s life is in danger with this one, how can it be said that she could always have another? Besides, at that point a C-section could be done to save both lives.
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PaulfromIowa
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If there was “something wrong” with you, would it be ok to kill you?
Your parents, or some other couple, could always have another.
Your parents, or some other couple, could always have another.
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billcu1
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Yes I suppose so. I thank all for their opinions and I hope it’s in line with the church:thumbsup:
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jediliz
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NOPE.
How is the woman’s life in danger? What kind of “defect” (I think you are saying the baby has some sort of defect or disease?) does the baby have that would truly cause a danger to the mother’s life? Can the woman have a C-Section? And what do you mean “she can always have another”? What happens if something went wrong and she had to have a hysterectomy…no chance of a “2nd chance” if she aborted her baby that would be the ONLY baby she would have!
Also, there are high risk OB-GYN’s who specialize in high risk cases.
How is the woman’s life in danger? What kind of “defect” (I think you are saying the baby has some sort of defect or disease?) does the baby have that would truly cause a danger to the mother’s life? Can the woman have a C-Section? And what do you mean “she can always have another”? What happens if something went wrong and she had to have a hysterectomy…no chance of a “2nd chance” if she aborted her baby that would be the ONLY baby she would have!
Also, there are high risk OB-GYN’s who specialize in high risk cases.
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ccmnxc
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I think the c-section point answered your second question. To elaborate on your first, we give medical treatment to born people who have horrible disabilities and injuries. I don’t see why the unborn would be an exception to that.
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1ke
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You seem to be confused regarding the humanity of the chld. The child is a human person and has inviolate dignity. No, it is never moral to kill a baby.
The doctor has two patients in such a case.
Wow.
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bzkoss236
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Abortion is never okay or justifiable. It is not okay to target and kill an innocent person for whatever reason. If something is wrong with the mother, you can target and treat the issue, but if you directly kill the child, it is an abortion, but if the baby happens to die during the procedure, even if you know it will likely die, but it is not your intent, then you are not aborting, but treating the issue with the unhappy side effect of killing the baby.
There is absolutely no medical problems caused by the baby being alive. There may be issues with the fact that the baby is inside the mother, but that is different. The earliest (that I know of) that a baby has been removed from the womb and survived was something like 21 weeks old. 26 weeks old is usually the ‘safe point’ at which it is certain that doctors can help the baby. But it should only be so early if the situation is dire.
Again, in short, abortion is never okay.
There is absolutely no medical problems caused by the baby being alive. There may be issues with the fact that the baby is inside the mother, but that is different. The earliest (that I know of) that a baby has been removed from the womb and survived was something like 21 weeks old. 26 weeks old is usually the ‘safe point’ at which it is certain that doctors can help the baby. But it should only be so early if the situation is dire.
Again, in short, abortion is never okay.
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teachccd
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Intentional termination of a pregnancy (abortion) is ALWAYS immoral and never acceptable under ANY circumstances. There are two separate human lives involved and each are uniquely created by God and deserve the respect and dignity that God intends. Each case is individual but the outcome is always the same. No person has the right to terminate a life regardless of the situation. And your statement that she can always have another one shows that you need to discern your understanding of our unique design and that no one can ever replace another. God knit each one of us in our mother’s womb for a purpose and from His love. Only God can determine when earthly life ends since it is only God who creates.
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TheRealJuliane
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No. This is a false argument, because it almost never happens. Many surgeries can be done on the baby IN the mother’s womb, and there is rarely a case where the mother’s life is in danger because a baby has some abnormality.
If the mother’s life is in danger because of this baby, she likely would not be able to have any more children. And we don’t kill people just because there is something “wrong” with them.
Many women have chosen to forgo cancer treatment while pregnant. Some of them do not survive once the baby is born. Some do. I do not know what I would have done if I’d had, say 5 or 6 kids, and then got cancer while pregnant. It’s a very difficult thing to tell a woman to kill her child so that she can stay alive for her other children. I don’t know that I could do it, even though I grew up without a mother and I know what that is like for a kid.
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MarkThompson
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Not sure that this reads quite how you intended.
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Hat4
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For a little perspective.
Saint Gianna Beretta Molla (October 4, 1922 – April 28, 1962) was an Italian pediatrician, wife and mother who is best known for refusing both an abortion and a hysterectomy when she was pregnant with her fourth child, despite knowing that continuing with the pregnancy could result in her death. She was canonized as a saint of the Catholic Church in 2004.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianna_Beretta_Molla
Her daughter’s name is Gianna Emanuela. She’s a wonderful woman, I got to meet her a couple of years ago.
Saint Gianna Beretta Molla (October 4, 1922 – April 28, 1962) was an Italian pediatrician, wife and mother who is best known for refusing both an abortion and a hysterectomy when she was pregnant with her fourth child, despite knowing that continuing with the pregnancy could result in her death. She was canonized as a saint of the Catholic Church in 2004.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianna_Beretta_Molla
Her daughter’s name is Gianna Emanuela. She’s a wonderful woman, I got to meet her a couple of years ago.
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billcu1
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Wow. This thread has opened my eyes. I’m glad I now understand that the church believes if a death unintentionally occurs it’s not abortion. I’ve never been for it but I was inquiring about a hypothetical.
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billcu1
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I meant some kind of terminal condition in which the baby wouldn’t have lived with or without treatment.
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Hat4
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It’s good to ask questions, that’s how we learn and grow.
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1ke
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Doesn’t matter. It is still immoral to kill the baby. We all die. Some sooner than others. We may not euthanize a person, born or preborn.
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TheWarriorMonk
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A lot of the confusion on abortion issues are due to not understanding what an abortion is. Abortion is the intentional killing (i.e., murder) of the child. That is never acceptable. The correct and moral course of action is to attempt to save both. There is no sin if mother or child dies during the heroic effort to save both.
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billcu1
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Ok intentional killing is what’s called “intrinsically” evil in this case right? Does that mean that some part of your soul is killed? Loss of Charity of santifying grace and maybe more?
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ccmnxc
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This is getting more into euthanasia territory, which I also reject. Since every life is precious and not ours to take, I’ve never seen nor never will see “mercy killings” as okay.
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