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SHAKA_MAKA1
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Is it against Catholic Church teaching to take up violent resistance against abortion?
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Blade_and_Blood
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I’m sure it is no matter what cause you’re fighting for. Violence only spawns violence.
And even if abortion is criminalized, it may not do much. Remember: if girls really want to get rid of a child, they may go to extreme measures. Quitters find a way to quit just as well as Winners find a way to win. If we want to win, we need an honorable approach. Reason works; Religion doesn’t.
Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
And even if abortion is criminalized, it may not do much. Remember: if girls really want to get rid of a child, they may go to extreme measures. Quitters find a way to quit just as well as Winners find a way to win. If we want to win, we need an honorable approach. Reason works; Religion doesn’t.
Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
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thistle
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Gamera
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Yes. We are not permitted to do anything inherently immoral, not even for a good purpose. Nor should we want to.
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wabrams
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I don’t advocate violence to stop abortion, here is some wierd food for thought:
If we have a moral duty to protect those that are defensless and in danger, and we can use deadly force if necessary (think self defense or the defense of others, but yet me are not to use violent means to protect the ones who are the most vulnerable and face certain death.
If we have a moral duty to protect those that are defensless and in danger, and we can use deadly force if necessary (think self defense or the defense of others, but yet me are not to use violent means to protect the ones who are the most vulnerable and face certain death.
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Gamera
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Well, for one thing, defensive violence requires imminence. If I know someone plans to commit a murder tomorrow, I’m not morally justified in driving over to his house and killing him tonight. The threatened harm must be imminent harm before any defensive violence is permitted – otherwise, the reason for the violence is simply the motive for a crime.
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neat62
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Well, people really do not see abortion as murder. Even Catholics. So from a Catholic perspective, or anyone’s for that matter, violence is not justified. Though me personally, would not feel too bad if it were to happen.
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CatsAndDogs
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This “people” does. (I see it explicitly as murder.)
But as I’m never in the “appropriate place” to prevent the imminent murder of the unborn, I can’t use force to prevent it.
That’s why they (the abortionists) are very careful about how they “arrange the murder scene”.
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neat62
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We have 40 million dead from abortion. We know where they are, because we protest them. We can block access to the mill. But oh, no, we as “good people” cannot break the law and block the door. We have not the “will”(s) to take a stand. That is because we really do not *see it *as murder. If people walked into a building and never came out again, and we all knew what was happening inside, something would be done about it.
I really think that people, even pro lifers, make a distinction between a born baby and a fetus. Even though we do not make that distinction in our heads, I think it is made in our hearts.
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CatsAndDogs
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Well, all I can suggest for you is that you do precisely what you think you should do, moderated by the teaching authority of the Church.
Block away, pal. Another martyr to That-Which-is-Caesar’s might perhaps be a good thing. And perhaps not, depending on “society’s reaction” to your attempted martyrdom.
Perhaps acting like “Act Up” will help the cause. Perhaps not.
Best of luck to you in your choice of behavior.
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neat62
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And the more people with that attitude, will assure the continuation of slaughtered babies. I would do as I say if I knew I had half a chance of inspiring people to do the same. Sadly, I do not. Sad for the dead babies, not sad for me. Sad for the cause. But rest assured, any other method will and is failing. Failing murdered babies. Lack of outrage and support keeps me right where I am. A useless complainer.
Oh, and thanks for proving my point for me.
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CatsAndDogs
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You’ve just admitted that you won’t do what you know is the right thing to do because you can’t “get a big enough following”.
A true martyr doesn’t care about having a “big enough following” to do “the right thing”, which tells me that you don’t actually believe that what you say is “the right thing to do” is the right thing to do.
In other words, good to meet you Mr./Mrs./Miss Hypocrite!
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neat62
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CatsAndDogs;
The right thing to do IS to comit acts of civil disobedience, but not if the rest of the pro life community does not have the guts to help, or even support me. Don’t you know, they are all above that sort of thing.
I believe that what I say is the right thing to do. The problem is, is that nobody else does. They still fall for this notion that pro choicers and average people simply do not know and are “uneducated” about abortion, when the fact is is that those people simply do not care. And in 150 years, maybe you can get 50% of the population to agree, but I seriously doubt it.
I’m not a hypocrite because I am not telling someone else to do what I say while I sit back and watch. I would like to motivate people to the way I see it, and for years, I am laughed at. Yet I still preach the same thing over and over and over again. I know in my hear that I am right on this. One person in jail is a nutcase. A group in jail for protesting abortion is a movement. There is still power in numbers, but our side refuses to see it because they think it is un Christian-like to stand in front of a doorway.
In other words, good to meet you Mr./Mrs./Miss Hypocrite!
Yeah, well I aint no dummy either. It is pointless to try to do the right thing all by myself, possibly end up in jail, all for nothing. What does being that kind of martyr solve? Absolutley nothing. Plus, I don’t have an longing to be a martyr either. I want to end abortion.
The right thing to do IS to comit acts of civil disobedience, but not if the rest of the pro life community does not have the guts to help, or even support me. Don’t you know, they are all above that sort of thing.
I believe that what I say is the right thing to do. The problem is, is that nobody else does. They still fall for this notion that pro choicers and average people simply do not know and are “uneducated” about abortion, when the fact is is that those people simply do not care. And in 150 years, maybe you can get 50% of the population to agree, but I seriously doubt it.
I’m not a hypocrite because I am not telling someone else to do what I say while I sit back and watch. I would like to motivate people to the way I see it, and for years, I am laughed at. Yet I still preach the same thing over and over and over again. I know in my hear that I am right on this. One person in jail is a nutcase. A group in jail for protesting abortion is a movement. There is still power in numbers, but our side refuses to see it because they think it is un Christian-like to stand in front of a doorway.
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wabrams
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neat62;4527943**:
Just b/c people don’t want to see it that way doesn’t NOT make it murder.
Even Catholics. So from a Catholic perspective, or anyone’s for that matter, violence is not justified. Though me personally, would not feel too bad if it were to happen.
Just b/c people don’t want to see it that way doesn’t NOT make it murder.
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neat62
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Absolutely, I agree.
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JimG
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War protesters and gay rights protesters routinely turn out large groups to publicize their agenda.
Pro-lifers turn out a few devout people at abortion clinics.
War protesters during the Vietnam era turned out enough people to end a presidency.
The March for Life might turn out a few hundred thousand in DC.
What if 50 million showed up? Would that make an impression?
Pro-lifers turn out a few devout people at abortion clinics.
War protesters during the Vietnam era turned out enough people to end a presidency.
The March for Life might turn out a few hundred thousand in DC.
What if 50 million showed up? Would that make an impression?
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neat62
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JimG;
Dude! Right On! So there is a third person in the world who agrees with me!
But it’s like I say, the ones who protest abortion now, I think, do it so they can pat themselves on their own backs and say that they did something good.
A million man march for life at the National Mall would make an impact, but good luck getting that to happen. Jesus will be back before that ever happens.
Dude! Right On! So there is a third person in the world who agrees with me!But it’s like I say, the ones who protest abortion now, I think, do it so they can pat themselves on their own backs and say that they did something good.
A million man march for life at the National Mall would make an impact, but good luck getting that to happen. Jesus will be back before that ever happens.
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Gamera
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Civil disobedience a/k/a abortion mill sit-ins, are completely different from the use of violence.
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rpp
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The Catholic Church has not declared that it is just to use violence in an attempt to stop an imminent abortion. Until she does, I will stick to peaceful means and condemn those, just as the Church has done repeatedly, who attempt to justify violence in the protection of the unborn from abortion.
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