Abortion: startling[?] statistic

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Under the “Who has abortions?” heading:
“Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic”

I assume the other 30% are not religiously affiliated …

So, 27% of women who had an abortion in 2000-2001 [the year the study was conducted] consider themselves Catholic? Yikes!

Anyone else as amazed as I am?
 
self declared Catholics. Meaning, they probably aren’t religious, just were born into a Catholic family or consider themselves part of a “Catholic race” the way non-practicing Jews consider themselves Jews.
 
Why didn’t the OP cite the figure about abortion and poverty?
The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level ($9,570 for a single woman with no children) is more than four times that of women above 300% of the poverty level (44 vs. 10 abortions per 1,000 women).
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Some more interesting info from that link.
• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[9]
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In other words just over half the women that have abortions used a contraceptive method during the time they became pregnant.
 
mflaschner said:
guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

Under the “Who has abortions?” heading:
“Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic”

I assume the other 30% are not religiously affiliated …

So, 27% of women who had an abortion in 2000-2001 [the year the study was conducted] consider themselves Catholic? Yikes!

Anyone else as amazed as I am?
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This doesn’t surprise me. I know a lot of people-women especially- who base their view of right and wrong on how the ‘feel’ about any given situation. I’ve heard some people claim that they Holy Spirit wanted them to do all types of odd things-like leaving a spouse-because they somehow ‘felt’ that it was the right thing to do. I could see such a mindset playing into the above figures.
 
ribozyme said:
Why didn’t the OP cite the figure about abortion and poverty?
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Probably because he saw it as a seperate issue and only wanted to discuss the fact that women who should be antiabortion due to their religion are still getting abortions.
 
CapIV said:
self declared Catholics. Meaning, they probably aren’t religious, just were born into a Catholic family or consider themselves part of a “Catholic race” the way non-practicing Jews consider themselves Jews.
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That isn’t exactly true. Jews are a tribe of people (you’re only Jewish if your mother is Jewish).
 
dailykos.com/story/2007/7/22/9334/83825

It is a diary from the Daily Kos about how religious and anti-abortion people deal with their own personal abortions. Often some people who are anti-abortion resort to using it. It casts doubt that anti-abortion activism makes one a pillar of rectitude.

But when one reads those entries we do have to understand that abortion is a choice not made with any delectation… often it is a painful choice. (that remark was a reference to this.)
 
I would be curious how many of those who reported using condoms during the month were using one during the actual sex act that caused the pregnancy. I think that number would be quite low. Unfortunately, abortion has become a backup plan for those who choose to risk sex without a condom. Before abortion was nationally legal and widely available, less people took that risk.

The bottom line: legalizing abortion ended up creating many more unwanted pregnancies.
 
ribozyme said:
dailykos.com/story/2007/7/22/9334/83825

It is a diary from the Daily Kos about how religious and anti-abortion people deal with their own personal abortions. Often some people who are anti-abortion resort to using it. It casts doubt that anti-abortion activism makes one a pillar of rectitude.

But when one reads those entries we do have to understand that abortion is a choice not made with any delectation… often it is a painful choice. (that remark was a reference to this.)
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Sadly I think that our culture pushes-and many Christians accept this-that no one should ever be uncomfortable or suffer. Yet sometimes doing the right thing brings us pain and discomfort. We don’t always get patted on the back for being good. That doesn’t mean one shouldn’t hold to one’s morals. It does mean that society encourages us to be happy instead of being moral.

Yet, the sign of a really good person-or good Christian-is not the person who does good when everthing is going great in their lives. Heck, that is easy. The truely good person is the one who does what they believe is right when it is difficult or painful to do so.

Take two people who find money. Imagine that they are both out of work. One keeps the money and justifies his actions by saying, “Hey, I am having a rough life and the person who lost the money should have been more careful.” The other man-with just as difficult a life- turns the money in. Who, is actually being the moral person? I think that the guy who turned the money in is.

The same can be said of abortion. It is easy to be antiabortion when someone else’s kids is pregnant, yet when your own daughter gets pregnant the strength of your morals will be tested. But in the end I think that the person who chooses to go through the pregnancy and everything that comes with out of wedlock birth is doing the right thing.

You have to remember that people can justify doing just about any horrible, evil act.😦
 
Sabda said:
Some more interesting info from that link.

In other words just over half the women that have abortions used a contraceptive method during the time they became pregnant.
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I assume there is a point, but I missed it. Oh, btw, 85% of all catholics practice birth control. And btw as well, pollsters do not identify anyone as what kind of Catholic one is, I don’t think they take cognizance of what people here call “real” catholics only. It is self-identifying. I’m aware many here presume anyone who doesn’t agree with them is not a real Catholic…I guess they don’t count, which means that the Catholic Church is really only a 1/10 of its stated size in the US. If that holds true around the world, then Catholicism has fallen far behind indeed, having lost its largest relgious denominiation probably years ago. This is sad, people are fleeing the Catholic church or being defined out at least at an alarming rate.
 
deb1 said:
This doesn’t surprise me. I know a lot of people-women especially- who base their view of right and wrong on how the ‘feel’ about any given situation. I’ve heard some people claim that they Holy Spirit wanted them to do all types of odd things-like leaving a spouse-because they somehow ‘felt’ that it was the right thing to do. I could see such a mindset playing into the above figures.
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It’s not particularly helpful nor true that women are somehow more prone to “feelings” based decisions than men. One hopes that not all the accomplishments made by the Women’s movement are being eroded by a return to such rhetoric.?
 
ribozyme said:
dailykos.com/story/2007/7/22/9334/83825

It is a diary from the Daily Kos about how religious and anti-abortion people deal with their own personal abortions. Often some people who are anti-abortion resort to using it. It casts doubt that anti-abortion activism makes one a pillar of rectitude.

But when one reads those entries we do have to understand that abortion is a choice not made with any delectation… often it is a painful choice. (that remark was a reference to this.)
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And just since we are laying down stats, there is not a single study done that suggests that women who abort have any emotional problems greater than other non-aborting women. the only evidence for this is strictly antidotal.
 
It makes sense to me. A lot of people call themselves Catholic. I know a lot of coworkers who say “I’m Catholic” and most of them never got to Confirmation. They are Catholic in the sense that someone in their family was Catholic and they were baptized. A few even remember First Communion.

Personally, I thought the statistics were much higher. I must be remembering a previous year.

This is a strong example against contraception. To those Catholics who don’t see an issue with using birth control…how many think it through to the what-if? I bet a lot of them block the ending out, until they are left feeling stuck and panicked.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
And just since we are laying down stats, there is not a single study done that suggests that women who abort have any emotional problems greater than other non-aborting women. the only evidence for this is strictly antidotal.
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That is incorrect. There have been studies conducted.

American
afterabortion.info/news/teens2.htm

Australian
betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Abortion_emotional_issues

There was also a Journal of the American Medical Association study published in 1992. This study refuted emotional distress. However it came under fire both due to methodology and the definition of “emotional distress” that was used. Another 1998 study supported the JAMA study. But like the the other one, this used the very narrow definition of emotional distress which excluded many forms of persistent depression. afterabortion.info/jama.html
 
SpiritMeadow said:
I assume there is a point, but I missed it. Oh, btw, 85% of all catholics practice birth control. And btw as well, pollsters do not identify anyone as what kind of Catholic one is, I don’t think they take cognizance of what people here call “real” catholics only. It is self-identifying. I’m aware many here presume anyone who doesn’t agree with them is not a real Catholic…I guess they don’t count, which means that the Catholic Church is really only a 1/10 of its stated size in the US. If that holds true around the world, then Catholicism has fallen far behind indeed, having lost its largest relgious denominiation probably years ago. This is sad, people are fleeing the Catholic church or being defined out at least at an alarming rate.
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My point had nothing to do with Catholics and everything to do with the fact that a little over half the women were using a contraception during the month they became pregnant. Think about it. If 54% of them were using a contraceptive at that time than just how effective can contraceptives truly be? Are they truly as effective as they try to lead us to believe?

I’ll admit yes there was a three year period were I used the pill but I was not raised with a Catholic understanding of things. It appears that a great many of Catholics in America were raised the same way.
 
rpp said:
That is incorrect. There have been studies conducted.

American
afterabortion.info/news/teens2.htm

Australian
betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Abortion_emotional_issues

There was also a Journal of the American Medical Association study published in 1992. This study refuted emotional distress. However it came under fire both due to methodology and the definition of “emotional distress” that was used. Another 1998 study supported the JAMA study. But like the the other one, this used the very narrow definition of emotional distress which excluded many forms of persistent depression. afterabortion.info/jama.html
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The problem with the studies is that children face pressures not necessarily apparent to adult women. One cannot know to what degree mental issues are added to by parental, peer, pressure to abort. My references were to adult women.
 
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