Abortion, underlying myths, and a skewed idea about mercy

[Usige]

Did it ever occur to you that half of the abortions are the result of protection failures because nobody is educating them on how to properly using a condom, for instance?

I’m sorry that you are endlessly frustrated with the truth that public school is secular.

Okay, go on your tirade. I’ll be over here facing the real world.

Do whatever you want. When “facing the real world”, just remember Christ’s words in Matthew 7:22,24:
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
You can face the real world however you want, but for me I will focus on doing the will of the Father. I feel sorry for those who hide the light of Christ under a basket rather than proudly proclaiming the Lord. If you feel making disciples and winning souls is not the calling of a Christian then there is not much else to discuss.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

Do whatever you want. When “facing the real world”, just remember Christ’s words in Matthew 7:22,24:
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
You can face the real world however you want, but for me I will focus on doing the will of the Father. I feel sorry for those who hide the light of Christ under a basket rather than proudly proclaiming the Lord. If you feel making disciples and winning souls is not the calling of a Christian then there is not much else to discuss.

That’s how you see it so okay

It’d be great if you could stop insinuating that I am not as good a Christian as you but whatever

 

[esieffe]

I like the “texting” metaphor. Handing out condoms is telling kids, that we know your going to do what you want to do anyway, so hear ya go.

I like this one of my own creation… If I even find so much as a wrapper, it’s military school for you!: Which would most definitely hurt me more than them.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

I like the “texting” metaphor. Handing out condoms is telling kids, that we know your going to do what you want to do anyway, so hear ya go.

I like this one of my own creation… If I even find so much as a wrapper, it’s military school for you!: Which would most definitely hurt me more than them.

I responded to the texting metaphor in a previous post, I’ll quote it here:

Listen, many parents do not see any lack of morality in pre-marital sex, so your point on exercising character and judgment is not logical. The common view today is that good judgment is the use of a condom or the pill, rather than refraining from it entirely. That’s just how it is, so don’t go complaining about parents treating sex differently than texting and driving. Not everyone holds your religious beliefs, and I’m sorry about that, but there’s nothing you can do.

It’s really just not comparable, and your appreciation of it shows an overall lack of understanding.

I’m sorry that you feel the need to threaten children with military school for attempting to responsibly have sex. They could just do it without a condom after all. That leaves no trace, expect for maybe a baby bump

 

[Usige]

That’s how you see it so okay

It’d be great if you could stop insinuating that I am not as good a Christian as you but whatever

I am not insinuating anything. Do I think I am a better person than you? No. Do I think I am right and you are wrong? Absolutely.

You and I simply disagree on what Christian duty requires. If you feel supporting contraceptives and advocating secular ideals over Christian morals is doing the will of God then more power to you. If you feel that God made a mistake in human sexuality and that humans can “fix” it, that is between you and God. I will rely on 2000 years of Christian teachings and witness rather than advocate for the ever changing secular morass with a compass that points to perdition.

Our focus seems to be on different things. You seem to be focused on easing “suffering” in this world where as I am focused on easing suffering in the life to come. Personally, I would gladly take 20 years of trials in this life over en eternity separated from God. Unfortunately many seem to have lost a vision beyond the immediate and do not see the salvation of souls as their business.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

I am not insinuating anything. Do I think I am a better person than you? No. Do I think I am right and you are wrong? Absolutely.

You and I simply disagree on what Christian duty requires. If you feel supporting contraceptives and advocating secular ideals over Christian morals is doing the will of God then more power to you. If you feel that God made a mistake in human sexuality and that humans can “fix” it, that is between you and God. I will rely on 2000 years of Christian teachings and witness rather than advocate for the ever changing secular morass with a compass that points to perdition.

Our focus seems to be on different things. You seem to be focused on easing “suffering” in this world where as I am focused on easing suffering in the life to come. Personally, I would gladly take 20 years of trials in this life over en eternity separated from God. Unfortunately many seem to have lost a vision beyond the immediate and do not see the salvation of souls as their business.

If that is how you perceive it then alright. Just realize that you sound extremely condescending toward me when you say “I will rely on 2000 years of Christian teachings and witness rather than advocate for the ever changing secular morass with a compass that points to perdition.” At least from my perspective.

 

[Usige]

If that is how you perceive it then alright. Just realize that you sound extremely condescending toward me when you say “I will rely on 2000 years of Christian teachings and witness rather than advocate for the ever changing secular morass with a compass that points to perdition.” At least from my perspective.

Okay, what would you like me to say? If you can tell me that Christianity has embraced contraceptives, abortion and premarital sex for the majority of it’s 2000 year history then I will concede that secularism isn’t a morass of shifting morality. If you can show me where Christianity, as a whole, has not taught that sin leads to Hell I will retract my statement. If you can show where the Father’s will includes advocating for sexual license I will gladly apologize.

You sound like you either are a defeatist or an advocate against more than 5 thousand years of moral teachings. Please go back and read the Old Testament to see where the ancient Jews embraced foreign societies and morals to see where it lead them. God enjoined them time and time again to not embrace the pagan cultures around them and every time they did they became a subjugated people. He told the ancient Israelites to push the pagans out and when they did not they fell prey to false teachings.

Saying “it’s a secular society and we can’t force religion on people” exactly parallels the ancient Israelis in their failure to obey God. Unfortunately many Christians are following the same path by saying we can simply coexist. Just like the tribes of Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun were assimilated by the Assyrians and vanished so too will Christians disappear who embrace secularism over God.

 

[Bradski]

Good morning all. I’m the new Head of Education. I have to make a decision as to what form sex education will take in our schools from now on in.

It’s one of the easiest decisions I have to make because it’s either Abstinence or Contraception.

You have a week to come up with the stats and figures to let me know which programme results in the least number of unwanted pregnancies.Because hey, we all want to reduce the number of abortions. When I get the figures I will make my decision.

That’s all. Thanks for attending.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

Okay, what would you like me to say?

I wouldn’t like you to say anything more, really.

 

[Usige]

I wouldn’t like you to say anything more, really.

Always glad to oblige.

I wanted to say I really appreciate you showing where Christian support of secularist policies and sexual lasciviousness is doing God’s will. I’m sure the Christians under Diocletian agreed that bowing to secular demands and holding the state as the highest authority was the right path to follow. A passage about millstones comes to mind, but I know defeat when I see it.

 

[PRmerger]

Good morning all. I’m the new Head of Education. I have to make a decision as to what form sex education will take in our schools from now on in.

It’s one of the easiest decisions I have to make because it’s either Abstinence or Contraception.

You have a week to come up with the stats and figures to let me know which programme results in the least number of unwanted pregnancies.Because hey, we all want to reduce the number of abortions. When I get the figures I will make my decision.

That’s all. Thanks for attending.

I saw this on an atheist’s page on Facebook. I think even he acknowledges the common sense, as well as the science and the figures, that abstinence works 100% of the time in preventing pregnancies.

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[Faithdancer]

God commands us to be fruitful and multiply, but to care about that command requires a belief in God. Which, as you know, is becoming a more uncommon belief in teenagers.

Only goes to show that abortion on demand, like many other contemporary societal ills (among which I’d include the proliferation of heavily medicated “psychological disorders” among children), is…fundamentally a spiritual problem, tantamount to a modern version of a Biblical plague.

 

[Faithdancer]

I saw this on an atheist’s page on Facebook. I think even he acknowledges the common sense, as well as the science and the figures, that abstinence works 100% of the time in preventing pregnancies.

Yes. Abstinence only works when it’s employed, 100% of the time. In such cases, it is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy.

 

[MJDorry]

Better an irresponsible birth than a “responsible” retardation of basic human biology.

 

[Hockeygurl]

The thing about this is that it does not prove that this decline is the result of abstinence education, which was her main insinuation. It could be due to a wide variety of other factors, and the links I added in my above post indicate that abstinence education does not decrease the rate of sexual activity in teens.

As an FNP who sees this everyday, I could not agree more. One must however, differentiate between Abstinence ONLY education or Abstinence + birth control education.

I can’t tell you how many times I bang my head against a wall when I hear a teen is sexually active and not using some form of contraception. I always ask “Are you TRYING to get pregnant, because its going to happen.”

I do work with a specific population known for very low socioeconomic status, poverty and rampant drug, alcohol, physical, sexual abuse and neglect. I often wonder what can be done to encourage the boys to remain abstinent, but this has been, in my experience, less likely than girls choosing abstinence. The pressure put on these girls to give in is tremendous.

 

[Rau]

Consequence of contraception = bastardization of the sexual act and a disconnect with its intended purpose. Correct? And this, somehow, is a larger consequence than either giving birth or getting an abortion? This religiously motivated consequence is supposed to be relevant in a secular nation? Again, not practical, not at all.

If you are saying that it is rational for the secular state to allow contraceptives, I’d agree.

 

[Sarcelle]

Your religious perspective may perceive it to be amoral, but you need to remember that these people see nothing wrong with it. Try to empathize with people ignorant to your religion, rather than going on about a narrative of the world unraveling into a pit of despair. Have some understanding for these people, have open conversations. They do not know they are immoral in the eyes of your God.

I was raised atheist and even I knew that abstinence is good.

Contraception may lessen the risks of unintended pregnancy but it does not completely eliminate the risk. Add to that the risk of STD and sex can be quite risky. With condoms and contraception, in the Russian roulette of sex, you lessen the number of bullets but can never completely eliminate it.

With abstinence you don’t have any risks. I knew even as a teenager that the surest way to poverty was to be a single mother who has not even finished high school. I did not want to sabotage my future. So as a former atheist, the decision to be abstinent was motivated not by religion but by common sense, by pragmatism.