And my chldren never saw them. But of course that is ancedotal evidence and proves nothng. however givent the number of abortion clinics and given the number of protestors who use these images the chances of any child seeing one of these pictures is almost non-existent.
My experience is anecdotal? Fine. What are the statistics you use to support the claim that chances of a child seeing one of those pics is “almost non-existent”?
Yet you are quite happy to state absolutely that it is no big deal if everyone else’s child does so. I see.
Only proves personal experience. If your anecdotal evidence is admissable, then so is everyone else’s and they all bear equal weight.
I seem to have a pretty clear memory of stating explicitly and on multiple occasions within this and all other threads on this topic that I am not talking about the protester standing outside the abortion clinic. If the use of these signs were limited to protesters standing outside abortion clinics, then I would be much more inclined to agree with you that there was a reasonable expectation that young children would not see them. In fact, that reasonable expectation is all that I have ever asked.
Well of course your experience is ancedotal! As is mine.
If you are going to ask people to stop showing the pictures you need to povide statisitcs showing that many children are seeing them in the first place. As I said before we need to first determine if there is a problem before we go out and try to solve it.
Then what’s the problem in my using it? You seemed to dismiss my child’s experience as anecdotal yet offer me more anecdotal evidence to bolster your position.
This thread isn’t about asking anyone to stop doing anything. The suggestion is to take a deep long look at what is being done.
Again you are being evasive because multiple posters have repeatedly mentioned the very public places where these graphics are indiscriminately displayed.
You were just involved in a thread a couple of days ago about a truck that was impounded for having graphic images postered on it that also detailed places the truck went.I didThat most ceratinly was not my intention.
My contention remains the same-the chance of a child seeing these pictures is infintesimal and the chance it will cause any long term distress is even less.
The majority of people who support abortion at any one time are not likely to mulling about the grounds of an abortion clinic. These are the people who vote and who need to be informed about what abortion really is.
If you are able to be such a good parent and are able to diligently ‘protect’ your child in this manner, why do you give other parents less credit for being able to do likewise. Is everyone else just haplings who absorb their surroundings. It is as I said before, if you as a parent feel the need to shield your daughter from these things, that is entirely up to you how much trouble you are willing to go through in that regard. Personally, I think it so much easier to just explain such things to them than doing a preliminary run through of every MacDonald’s restroom, etc., but that is a parental choice. Explaining to them in such a way as to not ‘traumatize’ them is within your control as a parent. This trauma does is not a direct result of a graphic abortion photo, but a reflection of your parenting skills.
I agree.
Haven’t said one way or the other about whether one should fight abortion or not (one should btw), but that is beside the point.
And it has been plainly demonstrated that their use is moral as there is not anything about the action itself that is intrisically evil. There is no intention of causing so called distress. The end sought after is good in and of itself. Therefore, non-evil means are being used to seek a good end. The good that results more than outweighs any harmful side effects such as hurt feelings. One life saved is of much greater consequence than ones hurt feelings.
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Then perhaps you can inform estesbob that these huge photos of dismembered and mutilated blood covered corpses of babies are not only being shown in places where it is “extremely unlikely a child will ever see them”.
I don’t give them less credit. I give no credit at all to the “good Christians” who choose to make my community a minefield by strewing these images randomly around with no regard for who will encounter them, for blowing them up to the size of tractor trailer trucks and parading them around town and flying them over cities and beaches or into huge posters placed where they fully intend that families who are accompanied by their young children will encounter them.
Exaclty one truck in a country that has over close to 100 million children. What are the odds of any kid seeing that truck??? Infintesimal. Like I said before much whining and hand wringing over a problem that doesnt exist.
You are well aware that there is more than one truck.
Perhaps the real reasons are the ones that have been stated. The miniscule chances only seem to be in your mind.
There probably are people like that, I stated that before, but that doesnt cover everyone who objects to the indiscriminate use of the graphic pictures. But this has been mentioned before.
LOL, you cant even keep track of your own accusations.
Bob, I have to say that I am astonished at the turn you have taken in this conversation. You and I have been discussing this on this board for many months, yet this is the first time I have seen you attempt to justify the use of these images in an indiscriminate manner by saying that there is “only one truck” and that that truck is stationary, so all the kids would have to be paraded by that particular known spot in order to see it. Do you truly believe that the protestors using these images are taking them nowhere but beside abortion clinics? Despite the press and photos I have shown you * from those very organizations* not only clearly showing that they are all over the place, but reveling in the fact that they are doing so?
I certainly find it very hard to believe that after all our discussions you could actually type that with a straight face about the people with whom you are currently discussing this topic.
Protesting abortion has it’s place? It’s something we are all called to do. It’s not an option or something that is good to do. Standing up for the most innocent is something we are required to do.
We are required to do both spiritual and corporal works of mercy.
You are right he didn’t just preach, He didn’t just pray either. He did both, just as wwe are required to do. He didn’t say I was hungry and you didn’t pray, I was thirsty and you didn’t pray, I was in prison and you didn’t pray. No He spoke about us taking action. We need to live what we profess, but we are called to act also!
Either the action of showing huge photographs of mutilated blood covered corpses where young children can be reasonably assumed to encounter them without their parent’s prior and express consent is morally appropriate on its own merits or it is not.
What do you do? My guess is very little. Most people who don’t approve of therse images don’t do much. If I am wrong, prove me wrong. Tell me about the sidewalk counseling you do, the crisis pregnancy centers you work at, the praying you do at the abortion mills regularly. Tell me how you who don’t approve of the images personally fight abortion. Most people who complain about graphic images spend more time doing that than fighting abortion.