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Roe was not “passed” It was imposed.
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Gabriella_San_S
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For those who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy, call a pregnancy center in your area,and choose an option that both you and your baby can live with. God’s grace and help is available and is only a phone call away…
For those who are working in the pro-life movement, " the battle is the Lord’s"…“keep fighting the good fight of faith…”… “Take heart, I (Jesus) have overcome the world”. Thousands of children are alive today because of your efforts-PRAISE GOD!!
For those who voted for BHO and support the FOCA, “REPENT AND BE SAVED” or you cannot hope to inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD.
For all people of good will," PRAY, HOPE AND DON"T WORRY.." (Saint Pio of Pietrelcina) JESUS IS COMING SOON!!
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St_Francis
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According to AGI, “women who have never married obtain two-thirds of all abortions.”
Considering that half of marriages in the US end in divorce and that people who are married are *less *likely to get an abortion than unmarried or divorced women, I would say that the *vast *majority of women who obtain abortions are either unmarried or have conceived outside of marriage. I am sure that if there were a substantial number of married women having abortions that AGI would inform us; instead they use an odd construction to hide the fact that most women who abort are pregnant from extra-marital activity.
There are those who have abortions due to pre-natal testing finding a problem with the child, and I imagine that these would constitute the majority of those who are married and who have abortions. Since pre-natal testing occurs at around 15–18 weeks, that would constitute 4.6% of abortions *or less, *since according to the link above, that is how many abortions occur after the 15th week.
So, yes, I do believe that refraining from extra-marital activity would indeed greatly reduce the *perceived *“need” for abortion, leaving only the perceived “need” to abort babies diagnosed with a handicap, and a few medically advised procedures each year.
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Christopher68
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In reading the posts on this thread - as well as observing the words and actions of both the pro-life and pro-choice sides over the years - I believe that abortion is an issue on which there will ‘always’ be disagreements.
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limerick
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**I’m so glad it was you who pointed that out. Yes, it was “imposed” or, as some think, granted or allowed.
Now, is there a second step?
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limerick
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" … instead they use an odd construction to hide the fact that most women who abort are pregnant from extra-marital activity." I would very much like to read about this “odd construction” that you claim Guttmacher uses to obfuscate information and/or statistics. Can you explain this?
I don’t disagree about the controlled feature of abstinence, but abstinence must be coupled with genuine positive regard for oneself, and a strong and sound understanding of male and female reproduction which is not based on myths and half-truths.
I didn’t get that in school, family or church. Of course, that was 200 years ago. Things have changed but it seems people have not, parents have not, and the Church has not, because the Church remains constant. So now what?
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Gabriella_San_S
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It all depends…why do you ask? I made some suggestions a few posts ago, maybe I misunderstood your question. Do you want to know what the next step is with regard to Roe v. Wade? Pray for the Supreme Court Justices and BHO to be converted and vote to overturn it.
In the meantime, keep offering alternatives to women in crisis pregnancies, make abortion more visible (showing what aborted babies look like that are dumped into trash cans like human garbage, with ad campaigns-www.priestsforlife.com) and offer penances for the*** grave ***sin of abortion.:imsorry::sad_bye:
Fr.Eutenauer (President of Human Life International) is encouraging priests to pray excorcism prayers outside of abortion mills also.
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limerick
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**I ask because I’ve never seen a mountain move.
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st_lucy
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So in your opinion or you “feel” that a child of about one to two months old is not a person, since they have nether a self-awareness or a conception of time. Obviously you do not know what it is you are talking about.
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limerick
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A “child of about one or two months” is an infant, already up and breathing. Up until 8 weeks’ gestation, a fetus is an embryo, not a child. It has no self-awareness or conception of time, no pain sensation and certainly no opinion regarding its desire for life. Yes, it does have potential to be born, to develop outside the uterus, to mature, to thrive. But inside the uterus it is an embryo or a fetus. It is not a baby, nor is it a child.So in your opinion or you “feel” that a child of about one to two months old is not a person, since they have nether a self-awareness or a conception of time. Obviously you do not know what it is you are talking about.
Pro-choice people are often chastised for downplaying the human potential and insisting on using words like “blastocyst” and “embryo” and “fetus”. What is so fearsome about speaking in accurate terms regarding gestation? I counter-charge that pro-life people use their own specifically designed, emotion-laced and inaccurate language to lend melodrama to their cause. Good grief, don’t you think it’s enough that a fetus loses its place at the children’s table without having to dress it all up in theatrics?
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st_lucy
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You are aware of the fact zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, child, pre-teen, teenager, young adult, adult, middle age, and elderly are all stages of live and terms we use to gage the stage one is in right.
I am in the opposite idea of yours that those who are on the pro-abortion side tend to use these stages of life as a means to let be okay to kill those we don’t want.
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estesbob
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It is seprate distinct human life. The label ones chooses to hang on the chikd does not impact its right to life
Pro-choice people are often chastised for downplaying the human potential and insisting on using words like “blastocyst” and “embryo” and “fetus”. What is so fearsome about speaking in accurate terms regarding gestation? I counter-charge that pro-life people use their own specifically designed, emotion-laced and inaccurate language to lend melodrama to their cause. Good grief, don’t you think it’s enough that a fetus loses its place at the children’s table without having to dress it all up in theatrics?
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Do you have any children? I can recall when my wife was pregnant she never once called me over to tell me to put my hand on her tummy to feel the “fetus” kick. There is no reason that we should be forced to use scientific terms to describe people regardless of their stage of development.
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st_lucy
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Also I have pointed this out in other threads but it is believed that the brain stem which is the where one gets the ability to feel pain begins developing at as young as six weeks and is not finished until about adult hood.
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limerick
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“It is seprate distinct human life. The label ones chooses to hang on the chikd does not impact its right to life.”
Nowhere have I claimed that it is not human or not distinct from the mother.
Pro-choice people are often chastised for downplaying the human potential and insisting on using words like “blastocyst” and “embryo” and “fetus”. What is so fearsome about speaking in accurate terms regarding gestation? I counter-charge that pro-life people use their own specifically designed, emotion-laced and inaccurate language to lend melodrama to their cause. Good grief, don’t you think it’s enough that a fetus loses its place at the children’s table without having to dress it all up in theatrics?
Do you have any children? I can recall when my wife was pregnant she never once called me over to tell me to put my hand on her tummy to feel the “fetus” kick. There is no reason that we should be forced to use scientific terms to describe people regardless of their stage of development.
**I do have one daughter, aged 22. For the first half of my pregnancy I was on the road, in a different city every day, playing concerts. My husband was at home in the Southwest. For the second half, when I was off the road, I was preparing for our addition to the household. He was at work all day every day and half the nights. As the time for the birth approached he began to recoil. Complete cessation of any physical contact between my husband and me commenced the moment she was born. When my daughter was 15 months old I filed for divorce.
You will use whatever terms suits you, no matter how inaccurate. And I am powerless to make anyone do the right thing.
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Nowhere have I claimed that it is not human or not distinct from the mother.
Pro-choice people are often chastised for downplaying the human potential and insisting on using words like “blastocyst” and “embryo” and “fetus”. What is so fearsome about speaking in accurate terms regarding gestation? I counter-charge that pro-life people use their own specifically designed, emotion-laced and inaccurate language to lend melodrama to their cause. Good grief, don’t you think it’s enough that a fetus loses its place at the children’s table without having to dress it all up in theatrics?
Do you have any children? I can recall when my wife was pregnant she never once called me over to tell me to put my hand on her tummy to feel the “fetus” kick. There is no reason that we should be forced to use scientific terms to describe people regardless of their stage of development.
**I do have one daughter, aged 22. For the first half of my pregnancy I was on the road, in a different city every day, playing concerts. My husband was at home in the Southwest. For the second half, when I was off the road, I was preparing for our addition to the household. He was at work all day every day and half the nights. As the time for the birth approached he began to recoil. Complete cessation of any physical contact between my husband and me commenced the moment she was born. When my daughter was 15 months old I filed for divorce.
You will use whatever terms suits you, no matter how inaccurate. And I am powerless to make anyone do the right thing.
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**The word “baby” has the warm, fuzzy, endearing, innocent, angelic connotation which has the potential to influence. Do not discount the power of words.
You subscribe to the opposite field of thought on the subject, as is your right.
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limerick
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"And it matters, of course, for the practice of abortion. Over the past four years, anti-abortion groups have turned fetal pain into a new front in their battle to restrict or ban abortion . . . "
Check this out:
nytimes.com/2008/02/10/magazine/10Fetal-t.html
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estesbob
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That is because babies are warm, fuzzy endearing, innocent and angelic-that is unless they are chopped into little pieces and thrown out with the garbage.
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limerick
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**And what of a fetus? Same thing? Or perhaps even more so if it furthers your cause?
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grannymh
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It is a child who is conceived. Abortion kills a child.
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estesbob
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Why would ones right to life depend on the label given to the stage of development it is in?
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