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Absolutely!!! We spay/neuter every animal before it leaves the facility. And we try to find foster homes for all the puppies and kittens. Unfortunately, you cannot save them all. But we try.
Well, that’s a good work for the animal kingdom, now…what is, in your opinion, the best way to address the problem of unplanned human pregnancies? Unfortunately, so many people deliberately choose to kill human babies. Any thoughts?
 
Why yes-of course human is human-what else would you espect to find gestateing in a Mothers womb-a carrot?
**I don’t think this poster is asking whether the cell growth in a woman’s uterus is a human or a carrot.

The question bears examination: what is** the essence of a human being? Takers?

Limerick
 
**I don’t think this poster is asking whether the cell growth in a woman’s uterus is a human or a carrot.

The question bears examination: what is** the essence of a human being? Takers?

Limerick
We are created out of Love, made in the image of an almost unimaginable God, Who revealed Himself in Jesus Christ, the King of the Universe…and calls us each by name into existence,at a given time in human history. We are each unique and unrepeatable in our essence, yet profoundly connected to the whole human race…family. God has a plan for each one of us, on our brief earthly sojourn, and His ultimate desire is to be united to us intimately… in this life… and forever in the next.
If we were to ask God directly, “what is the* essence* of a human being?”
I believe His reply would be, “You are my ‘magnum opus’, My ‘great work’ …and your essence is* love*…”
 
Why yes-of course human is human-what else would you espect to find gestateing in a Mothers womb-a carrot?
Carrot? Glad you said it, and not me.

I agree a human is a human. But that does not tell us what the essence of a human is. Can you tell us?

I notice terms like “essence of a human” sound really cool, but then I find nobody knows what they mean. If that term was used in reeducation of the population, I suspect someone would ask what it means.
 
I would like to add my thoughts in here if I may.

I consider abortion no different from murder. It makes me feel physically sick at the realisation that there are centres all over the world (and one no more than 200 meters from my home!) where you can pay to have your baby killed.

I believe that if you think you are old and responsible enough to have sex then you should also be old and responsible enough to deal with the consequences of your actions should you (or your partner) become pregnant.

Pregnancy and childbirth are two of the most beautiful and miraculous parts of human nature and indeed human life, yet it is sidelined to allow convenience to the parent(s) on a regular basis.

I know a person who is an 18 year old male, I work with him. He is often off “sick” and then posting on his facebook status about how much fun he had getting drunk and how many times he had sex with however many people over the weekends and all sorts of things like this. Because he was using so many empty excuses for being off like he had a headache etc he had to make up a decent excuse so they could not ask questions so he told the managers he had depression. He had 2 months paid leave then came back happy as ever and having spent 2 months posting on his facebook photos of nights out and bbq’s and trips to the beach etc with no sign of depression.

Recently his girlfriend became pregnant with twins and said she was keeping them. He quickly developed “depression” again while continuing to openly post evidence online to the contrary because she refused to get an abortion despite his constant begging of her.

Sadly, she gave in. She aborted her twins at 2 months pregnant last week and…you guessed it, he is happy as ever and going out, getting drunk, getting laid. As far as I am conserned, he is a murderer and unfortunately so is his girlfriend for giving in to his wishes. Could you be nagged in to murdering a person? (teen/adult or any age) No matter how much someone said pleaseeee kill them they’re just here at the wrong time for me, they’ll mess up my plans etc would you do it? Of course not!

I have two other friends from college who have been going out for about a year and the girl got pregnant. Admittedly bad timing and it was out of wedlock but they have accpeted responisbility, got engaged to be married and are looking forward to their child’s birth and spending their lives together. That is what the guy from work should have done!

How is abortion any different? It is hard for me to think of anything more vile than slowly twisting off the limbs and head of an unborn child in order to abort it. It makes me feel sick and makes me boil with anger.

I do accept that there can be difficult circumstances. I have heard arguments that if a baby will be born disabled it should be aborted to save it suffering, I think this depends alot on the disbility for example if it’s something like downs syndrome then no there is no argument for abortion in my opinion. If a baby would be born, suffer extreme pain, and die shortly after birth then possibly but then if this is legal then why isn’t euthanasia? Isn’t it the same thing?

Another argument I have heard is that rape victims should be allowed to abort babies conceived in the act of rape. To my annoyance I have never decided on an answer to this in my head. Any thoughts on this?

Apologies for the long post, it is an issue that bothers me greatly.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.
 
I would like to add my thoughts in here if I may.

I consider abortion no different from murder. It makes me feel physically sick at the realisation that there are centres all over the world (and one no more than 200 meters from my home!) where you can pay to have your baby killed.

I believe that if you think you are old and responsible enough to have sex then you should also be old and responsible enough to deal with the consequences of your actions should you (or your partner) become pregnant.

Pregnancy and childbirth are two of the most beautiful and miraculous parts of human nature and indeed human life, yet it is sidelined to allow convenience to the parent(s) on a regular basis.

I know a person who is an 18 year old male, I work with him. He is often off “sick” and then posting on his facebook status about how much fun he had getting drunk and how many times he had sex with however many people over the weekends and all sorts of things like this. Because he was using so many empty excuses for being off like he had a headache etc he had to make up a decent excuse so they could not ask questions so he told the managers he had depression. He had 2 months paid leave then came back happy as ever and having spent 2 months posting on his facebook photos of nights out and bbq’s and trips to the beach etc with no sign of depression.

Recently his girlfriend became pregnant with twins and said she was keeping them. He quickly developed “depression” again while continuing to openly post evidence online to the contrary because she refused to get an abortion despite his constant begging of her.

Sadly, she gave in. She aborted her twins at 2 months pregnant last week and…you guessed it, he is happy as ever and going out, getting drunk, getting laid. As far as I am conserned, he is a murderer and unfortunately so is his girlfriend for giving in to his wishes. Could you be nagged in to murdering a person? (teen/adult or any age) No matter how much someone said pleaseeee kill them they’re just here at the wrong time for me, they’ll mess up my plans etc would you do it? Of course not!

I have two other friends from college who have been going out for about a year and the girl got pregnant. Admittedly bad timing and it was out of wedlock but they have accpeted responisbility, got engaged to be married and are looking forward to their child’s birth and spending their lives together. That is what the guy from work should have done!

How is abortion any different? It is hard for me to think of anything more vile than slowly twisting off the limbs and head of an unborn child in order to abort it. It makes me feel sick and makes me boil with anger.

I do accept that there can be difficult circumstances. I have heard arguments that if a baby will be born disabled it should be aborted to save it suffering, I think this depends alot on the disbility for example if it’s something like downs syndrome then no there is no argument for abortion in my opinion. If a baby would be born, suffer extreme pain, and die shortly after birth then possibly but then if this is legal then why isn’t euthanasia? Isn’t it the same thing?

Another argument I have heard is that rape victims should be allowed to abort babies conceived in the act of rape. To my annoyance I have never decided on an answer to this in my head. Any thoughts on this?

Apologies for the long post, it is an issue that bothers me greatly.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.
This is a clearly reasoned post. Thank you.

Regarding a child with severe birth defects who would probably die shortly. That child still has the right to life. Practically speaking, with today’s medical advances, pain would be eliminated and the child would have the gift of love.

Furthermore, one should never underestimate the power of God to touch that child’s soul. The purity of that soul can do much to offset the evils against humanity.

Regarding rape. The reason for a conception is secondary to the fact that there is human life. Once conceived, human life is always sacred.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is worthy of profound respect from the moment of conception.
 
This is a clearly reasoned post. Thank you.

Regarding a child with severe birth defects who would probably die shortly. That child still has the right to life. Practically speaking, with today’s medical advances, pain would be eliminated and the child would have the gift of love.

Furthermore, one should never underestimate the power of God to touch that child’s soul. The purity of that soul can do much to offset the evils against humanity.

Regarding rape. The reason for a conception is secondary to the fact that there is human life. Once conceived, human life is always sacred.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is worthy of profound respect from the moment of conception.
Hi Granny,

I accept your reasoning for children born with defects. I found the story of a couple on Youtube somewhere that really touched me. Their baby was born very prematurely, she had hardly any time at all, only 20 mins if my memory serves. But her parents named her Ella Rose, they both held her in their arms with love as she slipped away. She had a tragically short life, but the love she would have felt in that time would have been phenomenal. I could never deny a partner that, nor would I accept my child’s right to life being denied.

I haven’t thought about that story for a while but it sprung in to mind when I read your reply so thanks Granny.

I also accept your thoughts on rape. Although it must be traumatic and horrific to epic proportions for the victim, it is not the child’s fault. I think I would rather a child conceived with hate and pain was raised with love and hope than to kill it in the same way it was conceived.

Bless you
Zamudio
 
"Unrotunately whenever someone asks that question you know that some group of humans is about to be marganilized"

Could be. It’s also unfortunate nobody seems to know the answer. What is the essence of a human?
I already answered you. Man is a composite of body and soul made in the image of God.
 
Carrot? Glad you said it, and not me.

I agree a human is a human. But that does not tell us what the essence of a human is. Can you tell us?

I notice terms like “essence of a human” sound really cool, but then I find nobody knows what they mean. If that term was used in reeducation of the population, I suspect someone would ask what it means.
Do you think most people cannot see the obvious?
 
I don’t think this poster is asking whether the cell growth in a woman’s uterus is a human or a carrot.

The question bears examination: what is
the essence of a human being? Takers?

Limerick
It has been answered. Human is human. What is the essence of a carrot? Why that it is a carrot , of course!

“Cell growth in a Woman’s Uterus”???
 
The essence of the human being

are those properties or characteristics which distinguish him/her from the rest of living species such as other animals.

A spiritual soul is essential to being human as was said in another post. The soul and body are united from the moment of conception until their separation at death.

Two other characteristics which place a human being in a category totally separate from animals are the intellect and the will. They are basically the power or ability to act in a human way. Because they are an essential part of being human, they exist even when their use is limited by physical circumstances. In addition, there are other elements like emotions, motivation, sense of morality, etc., which are part of human nature.

Above all, it is the soul which makes human life sacred.

Blessings,
granny

All human beings are worthy of profound respect from the moment of their conception.
 
I already answered you. Man is a composite of body and soul made in the image of God.
Good. New information.
When do body and soul form the composite?
Is the sould hanging around waiting for the body?
What happens when the body is gone? No longer a man? If not a man, then what?
 
It has been answered. Human is human. What is the essence of a carrot? Why that it is a carrot , of course!

“Cell growth in a Woman’s Uterus”???
In that case is the use of the word “essence” in the phrase “essence of a human,” simpy window dressing to make it sound cool?

Let’s expand a bit.

If I asked what is meant by the strength of a human, would you answer “human is human?”

If I asked what is the size of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”

If I asked what is the lifespan of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”

If I asked what are the rights of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”

But, it does make it easy.
 
In that case is the use of the word “essence” in the phrase “essence of a human,” simpy window dressing to make it sound cool?
See post 150
Let’s expand a bit.

If I asked what is meant by the strength of a human, would you answer “human is human?”
One would answer in terms of human activity.
If I asked what is the size of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”
One would answer in measurements devised by a human.
If I asked what is the lifespan of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”
One would answer in terms of years normally lived by a human.
If I asked what are the rights of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”
One could start with what humans wrote in the Constitution.
 
In that case is the use of the word “essence” in the phrase “essence of a human,” simpy window dressing to make it sound cool?

Let’s expand a bit.

If I asked what is meant by the strength of a human, would you answer “human is human?”

If I asked what is the size of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”

If I asked what is the lifespan of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”

If I asked what are the rights of a human, would you answer, “human is human?”

But, it does make it easy.
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Actually none of what you say above makes any sense whatsoever-but I guess it sounds cool
 
Good. New information.
When do body and soul form the composite?
Is the sould hanging around waiting for the body?
What happens when the body is gone? No longer a man? If not a man, then what?
One understanding is that a “quickening” or “flutter” that the mother feels when she first senses movement, is when the soul possesses the body of her baby.
But Granny’s understanding is more widely accepted these days-at conception.

Someone once observed about Pope John Paul II…that when he became very debilitated with his Parkinsons disease, that " he was a** soul**, dragging a body around…"
The Mormon cult believes in something like this “soul in waiting”.

When a human being dies, the soul ascends to His maker for judgment, purification and then begins his eternal life-unless he rejects God, then he “flees with great speed” (according to St.John Bosco) to escape the presence (justice) of God-to eternal damnation.
We as Catholics believe that we will receive a “glorified body” that will reunite with our souls on the last day. This is part of the Creed we profess every Sunday.
We are created by Love,** for Love**…and we will be judged** according to Love**. “so, brothers and sisters, let us love one another, as God has loved us…”
 
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