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WillieWonka
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I believe the Church has an official teaching that Jesus is God. How has history proven that? If history has proven the Church correct on all its official teachings, then faith is unnecessary.
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lil_flower_luv
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Gabriella was simply advising you to be alittle more respectful in the way you address others. “Love the sinner, hate the sin” remember? None of us can throw a stone.
You cannot be Catholic and talk like this:
‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did *not *do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ See Jesus in everyone and embrace Him.
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fix
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It is a matter of natural law that binds all humans.
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fix
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Through faith and reason.
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fix
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You do understand there is a vast difference between a physical evil and a moral evil?
If you trip and fracture a bone in your leg is that morally equal to someone intentionally breaking your leg? In both cases the result is the same.
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AnimalGal
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They already do… Most Catholics of child bearing age use some form of ABC. The ones that don’t, WANT to get pregnant. Just because no one on these forums admits to it, doesn’t mean that it does not happen. Catholic women use birth control and they are not going to give it up.
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Gabriella_San_S
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(emphasis mine)
They** are*** giving up* something else, however…the graces for their salvation. The Church is like a wise and loving Mother that has been given to us by God Himself for our protection. Through faith and reason, Her children accept all that She teaches for our good-or not. You are right to say that there are* many* Catholics (not most) who scoff at Church teachings, just like rebellious children who lack maturity and good sense. And like a good parent, our God offers us the opportunity to awaken to the errors that hurt us, while He is constantly extending** mercy** and unconditional love when we fall. Let us pray that those prodigal children awaken while there is still time and realize, that He who is ALL-GOOD has* our* greatest good at heart.(His Sacred Heart:heart: )
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AnimalGal
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I hear what you are saying, however my point is that most Catholics disagree with you on this one.
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lil_flower_luv
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If you’re for birth control, you’re probably for abortion. I, for one, don’t see much of a difference.
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allhers
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It didn’t say it has been proven 100% that this causes…, it said,
it can…and sometimes it has. Also, what goes on in a woman’s uterus isn’t as difficult to
monitor or observe these days.
Some of the women that this happens to probably use to be on some form of birth control, some on other drugs that contributed to it happening, some for other reasons, (alcoholism, etc…the list is very long) and some for reasons that only God knows. Yes, even if that fertilized egg never attaches to the uterus, it is really a new life.
No, no one is saying that life starts at implantation.
There are cases where a woman has carried a life in her body that didn’t implant in her
uterus, guess what? It was still a baby, it didn’t turn into a puppy or anything.
It sounds as though you haven’t had much contact with many women. I come from a huge family and over the years have had many friends and other women tell me or I’ve heard or read or have seen some women mourn, for years, every month.
…and for your further information on your last point, a spontaneous abortion IS a
miscarriage. Many people do have funerals for their preborn children.
But I do thank you for your opinions and contributions, as it does give me the opportunity
to educate on the facts.
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allhers
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For more on what goes on in a woman’s uterus click below.
youtube.com/watch?v=N1uKCchuIjM&NR=1
It’s called Baby Steps and its a 4D Ultrasound.
It shows you a guided tour of a baby in the womb from week 8 to week 34
youtube.com/watch?v=N1uKCchuIjM&NR=1
It’s called Baby Steps and its a 4D Ultrasound.
It shows you a guided tour of a baby in the womb from week 8 to week 34
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allhers
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Miracle Baby Developed Inside Mom But Outside Womb
Montreal’s miracle baby, the boy who developed for more than nine months in his mother’s
abdominal cavity, with the placenta attached to fatty tissue above her empty uterus, is
capturing headlines the world over. But the doctor involved made an ominous prediction.
Dr. Peter Mitchell, former chair of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Alberta,
said: “In future, miracle babies will be the ones that have their genes altered in utero,
which might be 10 or 20 years away.”
From this site: lifesitenews.com/ldn/2003/aug/03081308.html
(I went there and tried to click on the link but it said it was no longer available.)
Montreal’s miracle baby, the boy who developed for more than nine months in his mother’s
abdominal cavity, with the placenta attached to fatty tissue above her empty uterus, is
capturing headlines the world over. But the doctor involved made an ominous prediction.
Dr. Peter Mitchell, former chair of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Alberta,
said: “In future, miracle babies will be the ones that have their genes altered in utero,
which might be 10 or 20 years away.”
From this site: lifesitenews.com/ldn/2003/aug/03081308.html
(I went there and tried to click on the link but it said it was no longer available.)
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AnimalGal
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You appear to imply that most Catholics are pro-abortion. I seriously doubt that.
And there IS a difference.
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Gabriella_San_S
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Once people “dig in their heals” in defiance against one Church teaching, the path of disobedience only** widens** from there. There are abortifacient birth control methods(not just pills, either) and it’s a very*** slippery slope*** from there to surgical abortion, whether you choose to believe it or not.
You suggested that most Catholics are using birth control. I seriously doubt that, but over half of U.S. Catholics voted for the most militant pro-abortion president in history.
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Oreoracle
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Why do you all talk like that? You seem to believe that people are born agreeing with Catholicism by default, and only later in life do they begin to disagree. Most people I know that are pro-choice (and Catholic, supposedly) were never pro-life to begin with. They didn’t dig in their heels nor did their disobedience widen, they simply never agreed from the start.
People aren’t born Catholic, my friend.
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allhers
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I realize your comment was directed to Gabriella here, but I’d like to say that people that are born to Catholic parents are usually taught by those parents the Catholic teachings, or at least they are suppose to be taught first at home.Why do you all talk like that? You seem to believe that people are born agreeing with Catholicism by default, and only later in life do they begin to disagree. Most people I know that are pro-choice (and Catholic, supposedly) were never pro-life to begin with. They didn’t dig in their heels nor did their disobedience widen, they simply never agreed from the start.
People aren’t born Catholic, my friend.
They usually also go to some sort of Religious Education, where they are further taught the teachings of Jesus.
Unless one isn’t taught the truth about Jesus’ teachings, then it is possible to say that they were never pro-life to begin with, but when they are taught the truth, normally they are pro-life to begin with, it usually isn’t until they are teenagers that they begin to doubt those teachings when they are saturated by the media, magazines, p.p., other friends who were not taught the truth, and on and on, before they begin to fall for the lies.
This is why it is so necessary for a Catholic to know the teachings of the Catholic Church. It isn’t about what’s popular or acceptable to the “world” but rather its about what God expects and wants from us. (see my signature below.)
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fix
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Faith and reason yes.
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Gabriella_San_S
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Catholicism is, in it’s very essence, built upon the natural law, as has been stated in previous posts.God is at once** Creator** and Redeemer of the human race.Why do you all talk like that? You seem to believe that people are born agreeing with Catholicism by default, and only later in life do they begin to disagree. Most people I know that are pro-choice (and Catholic, supposedly) were never pro-life to begin with. They didn’t dig in their heels nor did their disobedience widen, they simply never agreed from the start.
People aren’t born Catholic, my friend.
Abortion and birth control both violate the natural and moral law (grace building on nature) and if you really want to know the truth, humans are born with a propensity to oppose(not to agree) the natural/moral law because of original sin.
After Baptism, we are no longer enslaved by this fallen nature. Through God’s grace and our consent, by Jesus’ sacrificial offering on the Cross, this curse is broken-yet because of the gift of free will, the lack of cooperation with God’s grace remains our choice.
You may understand this rebellion through personal experience and in the example of your “catholic” friends, but something ***much greater *than all of that is at work in the Truth of the Catholic Church. It is good for you to be here at CAF.
One day, you too will agree…and it won’t be by default. God bless you, dear friend.
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