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I’m actually going to sign off for awhile to give you time to go and read some of the things that have been provided for you. It is pretty obvious from your fast posting that you aren’t taking the time necessary to read those things that everyone gives you. Have a nice day:D
Truth In Posting Alert: Of course I don’t read all the links people provide. I do read what they present as comments. If they quote something, and provide a link, I may look at it if it sparks my interest. If they just provide a link, I rarely look at it.

I try to present my own ideas in the comments so people don’t have to go read some link I recommend. I can speak for myself. I doubt anyone wants to pursue a bibliography I present for them. When I do provide a link, I always quote the pertinent paragraphs in the comment so the reader can make an intelligent decision about whether he wants to go to the link.
 
I dont now if i have properly discerned smething. that is why i depend on the teachngs of the church. the have done all the heavy lifiting and have 2,000 years of teachings and traditions to fall back on. Why should I try and discern natural law when the likes of Augustine and Aquinas have already done it for me?
OK. Why believe the Church has correcly discerned NL?
 
Birth control prevents pregnancy.
Abortion ends pregnancy.

Those are two different descriptions, and even if one opposes both, accuracy is still valuable.
What I mean to say is: do you believe that we should let God be God, and humans be humans? Do you think there is a fine line to draw in some cases? Or do you believe we can be god and take things into our own hands?
 
What I mean to say is: do you believe that we should let God be God, and humans be humans? Do you think there is a fine line to draw in some cases? Or do you believe we can be god and take things into our own hands?
Given most definitions and descriptions of god, it is impossible for humans to be god.
 
Given most definitions and descriptions of god, it is impossible for humans to be god.
Then can you admit humans shouldn’t be allowed to have that power in our hands? That we should simply take what we are given? Everyday, people decide to be their own god. They trust only in themselves, for example. And they prevent life–God’s greatest gift to us–to be formed. Now is it right to say that abortion plays God?
 
Then can you admit humans shouldn’t be allowed to have that power in our hands? That we should simply take what we are given? Everyday, people decide to be their own god. They trust only in themselves, for example. And they prevent life–God’s greatest gift to us–to be formed. Now is it right to say that abortion plays God?
Like it or not, humans have the powers they have. And they are developing more every day. People can believe or not believe in god, define and describe god any way they want. Trust whatever they want. It’s a choice.

Ever notice nobody complains when humans exercise their power over death? Playing god?
 
Like it or not, humans have the powers they have. And they are developing more every day. People can believe or not believe in god, define and describe god any way they want. Trust whatever they want. It’s a choice.

Ever notice nobody complains when humans exercise their power over death? Playing god?
Yes, we are given free will to believe as we would like.
 
**allhers:

"In developing nations, population control groups spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually in attempts to saturate indigenous cultures with every available contraceptive and abortifacient … "** Were these efforts successful? I have heard numerous arguments that these attempts were not successful among indigenous peoples. Why not? And if not, then how is anyone going to convince them to be abstinent? That’s really a stretch.

Limerick
 
You think so? I find it pretty interesting myself. Thank God I chose His side! 😉
**Therese, do you believe as you would like? Or do you believe as your parents taught you, or as your teachers instructed you, or as your friends suggested that you believe?

Do you believe everything the Vatican tells you?

Limerick**
 
**Therese, do you believe as you would like? Or do you believe as your parents taught you, or as your teachers instructed you, or as your friends suggested that you believe?

Do you believe everything the Vatican tells you?

Limerick**
Well, what my parents have taught me has become what I believe. I wouldn’t have it any other way. My teachers have also been a big influence in my life, as well. Some have encouraged what I believe and others have shown me what my life would be like if I *didn’t believe the way I do. I have friends who are great Catholics and with whom I can talk about my faith with…and others who have become my mission to help bring back to Jesus. I believe everything the Vatican tells me and try very hard to follow it. No, my faith isn’t *a walk in the park. But like I said, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I’ve realized time and time again, that my life is an empty void without Our Lord. And when I mess up, or don’t make the best choice, I have the comforting feeling of always being able to come back. My faith is a gift that keeps on giving.

Thank you for asking!
 
Well, what my parents have taught me has become what I believe. I wouldn’t have it any other way. My teachers have also been a big influence in my life, as well. Some have encouraged what I believe and others have shown me what my life would be like if I *didn’t believe the way I do. I have friends who are great Catholics and with whom I can talk about my faith with…and others who have become my mission to help bring back to Jesus. I believe everything the Vatican tells me and try very hard to follow it. No, my faith isn’t *a walk in the park. But like I said, I wouldn’t have it any other way. I’ve realized time and time again, that my life is an empty void without Our Lord. And when I mess up, or don’t make the best choice, I have the comforting feeling of always being able to come back. My faith is a gift that keeps on giving.

Thank you for asking!
**You’re welcome, sweetheart! Stay pure and beautiful.

Limerick**
 
I haven’t had much contact with women?! I am a woman, with lots of friends who are women. And every woman I know who has had an abortion, obviously wouldn’t have had one if they were on birth control. Your comments about the women this happens to, made no sense. A fertilized egg can be flushed out every month, while a woman is trying to get pregnant. She does not have to be drinking, or have ever been on birth control in her life. It just happens. Why do you think it takes couples months or sometimes years to conceive? Not every fertilized egg implants, nothing you listed has to “contribute to it”. If you actually read my post I was not speaking of women who have miscarriages, I am talking of women mourning every time they get their period, not many mourn the possible fertilized egg that was flushed out. They just get disappointed that another month has come and gone without a pregnancy. Perhaps you are not the best educator after all. And I am well aware a spontaneous abortion is a miscarriage, I worded it that way in case others were not aware, I was giving 2 words with the same definition. Like someone saying “HIV virus, or Aids”, adding Aids, to clarify, as this is how it may be known to the person they are speaking to. Not everyone calls a miscarriage, a spontaneous abortion. I know about funerals for miscarried babies, my cousin had one for his twins, and a priest from another church spoke of one he did last month for a young couple. Again, I was speaking of a fertilized egg, not a miscarried baby.
I suggest you go back and read my other posts and what you call a fertilized egg really is a human being.

Read this if you have a hard time believing ME:

…O’Rahilly’s statement that the use of terms such as “ovum” and “egg”-which would include** the term “fertilized egg”-is scientifically incorrect, has no objective correlate in
reality, and is therefore very misleading**-especially in these present discussions. Thus
these terms themselves would qualify as “scientific” myths. The commonly used term,
"fertilized egg," is especially very misleading, since there is really no longer an egg
(or oocyte) once fertilization has begun. What is being called a “fertilized egg” is not an
egg of any sort; it is a human being.


…Ronan O’Rahilly,5 the human embryologist who developed the classic Carnegie stages of human embryological development. He also sits on the international board of Nomina
Embryologica (which determines the correct terminology to be used in human embryology
textbooks internationally):

physiciansforlife.ca/html/life/bioethics/articles/whendoes.html

The number 5 above-after his name refers to this in the footnotes:
5. Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology & Teratology
(New York: Wiley-Liss, 1994). See also, Bruce M. Carlson, Human Embryology and Developmental
Biology (St. Louis, MO: Mosby, 1994), and Keith L. Moore and T.V.N. Persaud,
The Developing Human (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998).

(my bold)

More truth to read here:
Life begins at fertilization, not implantation—
There is much scientific proof that a unique human being is created after fertilization
of the egg by the sperm
.
lifesitenews.com/abortiontypes/chabortion_types.html

(my bold)
 
Truth In Posting Alert: Of course I don’t read all the links people provide. I do read what they present as comments. If they quote something, and provide a link, I may look at it if it sparks my interest. If they just provide a link, I rarely look at it.

I try to present my own ideas in the comments so people don’t have to go read some link I recommend. I can speak for myself. I doubt anyone wants to pursue a bibliography I present for them. When I do provide a link, I always quote the pertinent paragraphs in the comment so the reader can make an intelligent decision about whether he wants to go to the link.
In that case, I’ll probably rarely look at your posts in the future, unless of course it sparks my interest.😛
 
**allhers:

"In developing nations, population control groups spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually in attempts to saturate indigenous cultures with every available contraceptive and abortifacient … "** Were these efforts successful? I have heard numerous arguments that these attempts were not successful among indigenous peoples. Why not? And if not, then how is anyone going to convince them to be abstinent? That’s really a stretch.

Limerick
By the power of prayer and letting the Holy Spirit direct our lives, nothing is impossible with God.

The simplest method of NFP is calendar rhythm. Couples need to determine the length of the longest and shortest menstrual cycles over the past 12 months. NFP instructors can quickly teach this method to country women in developing nations, even if they cannot read, because the concepts are very easy to explain.

hli.org/index.php/component/content/article/40-facts-of-life/589-facts-of-life-chapter-22-natural-family-planning-nfp-can-be-used-for-contraceptive-motives
 
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