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Well I have not been here for quite a while. Good to be back. Please I need some help! You see, there have been a concern that has really been bothering me. Now can anyone help me expain to those that are prochoice that abortion is wrong in all kinds of situations espicially in situations like rape, incest, and when the baby may cause some harm to the mother. I just simply do not know how to answer questions like these because these people believe that abortion is absolutely right in these situations.

Please any advice would help and can anyone give a link to a website that really expresses prolife beliefs really well.

Thank you and God bless,

Art321
 
Art321 said:
Well I have not been here for quite a while. Good to be back. Please I need some help! You see, there have been a concern that has really been bothering me. Now can anyone help me expain to those that are prochoice that abortion is wrong in all kinds of situations espicially in situations like rape, incest, and when the baby may cause some harm to the mother. I just simply do not know how to answer questions like these because these people believe that abortion is absolutely right in these situations.

Please any advice would help and can anyone give a link to a website that really expresses prolife beliefs really well.

Thank you and God bless,

Art321
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I wish that I could help you. I have heard the same thing from some people I’ve encountered. My mind just cannot grasp their concepts concerning abortion. If abortion is the KILLING of a baby (as I know it to be), then how can a baby’s murder be justified under ANY circumstances? I just don’t understand their logic. “Hey, she became pregnant as a result of a rape… let’s kill the baby, that will make things better.” What kind of logic is that?! Since I cannot grasp the way inwhich these people think, I doubt that I can come up with a logical argument to use on them. 😦
 
Here are two sites I find to be helpful to learn more on why it is immoral:
ewtn.com/library/bishops/zgeorgepelos.htm

ewtn.com/library/issues/chapstate.pdf

What I don’t get is how someone would think it’s ok, just because of those circumstances? It’s killing a life, what more reason do you need than that? If it’s rape, that is horrible but killing a baby is not going to make that situation any better. There is always other options, like adoption. All I know is I could never live with myself if I ever had an abortion, even if it was going to harm me. Plus, it’s very unlikely that the baby will harm the mother.
 
HNA444 said:
Here are two sites I find to be helpful to learn more on why it is immoral:
ewtn.com/library/bishops/zgeorgepelos.htm

ewtn.com/library/issues/chapstate.pdf

What I don’t get is how someone would think it’s ok, just because of those circumstances? It’s killing a life, what more reason do you need than that? If it’s rape, that is horrible but killing a baby is not going to make that situation any better. There is always other options, like adoption. All I know is I could never live with myself if I ever had an abortion, even if it was going to harm me. Plus, it’s very unlikely that the baby will harm the mother.
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Thank you for these links to the websites but do you know where I can find a website that defends prolife but without mentioning anything about the faith. Those that are prochoice won’t listen to anything if I happen to mention God.

Thank you and God bless,

Art321
 
Art321 said:
Thank you for these links to the websites but do you know where I can find a website that defends prolife but without mentioning anything about the faith. Those that are prochoice won’t listen to anything if I happen to mention God.

Thank you and God bless,

Art321
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Ur welcome! , Umm no but i can look and post if i find anything.

God Bless
 
here’s one of my favorite articles for answers to pro-choicers…
upholdingtradition.com/morality/abortion/answers.htm

but unfortunately the main problem is, these people just don’t have the understanding of what life really is, they don’t understand what they are killing, even the baby of a rape victim, it’s certainly not the babies fault the woman was raped, but because the woman feels she cannot live with that child inside her as a horrible reminder of what happened, she decides to kill it…and sadly without knowing it, she commits something more horrible than what her rapist did to her, she takes the life of her own flesh and blood, and she makes that child more of a victim, because that child had even less protection, because the one safe place the child had, was inside his beloved mother, who sadly hated him…though he did nothing wrong, and would have loved her despite how he was conceived…
that is simply how i look at it,
but these people who think abortion is ok in just some cases, they don’t have respect for life…

but maybe what will help you the most is, not defending the life of the child, but of the mother,
there are very serious health risks involved in abortion, more often then not there are side effects from the abortion, and many of them are very serious, both physical and mental…

here is a site that has alot of information on the risks of abortion, and many other things to help you…
abortionfacts.com/effects/effects.asp
check out the whole site, i’m sure this will help you :3

alright, good luck, and if all else fails, just pray for them…plant the seed, and God will take it from there.
 
Art321 said:
Well I have not been here for quite a while. Good to be back. Please I need some help! You see, there have been a concern that has really been bothering me. Now can anyone help me expain to those that are prochoice that abortion is wrong in all kinds of situations espicially in situations like rape, incest, and when the baby may cause some harm to the mother. I just simply do not know how to answer questions like these because these people believe that abortion is absolutely right in these situations.

Please any advice would help and can anyone give a link to a website that really expresses prolife beliefs really well.

Thank you and God bless,

Art321
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Get this book and read it. Embryo, A Defense of Human Life** By Robert P. George and Christopher Tollefsen. The authors approach the entire topic from biology and logic/reason. It’s very well thought out and easy to read. Here’s the link:**

amazon.com/Embryo-Defense-Robert-P-George/dp/0385522827

**The authors explicitly state that we don’t need religion to tell us the truth about the human embryo. It’s a masterpiece of a book.

God Bless**
 
Thank you all for the help. It really has helped.

God bless,

Art321
 
I don’t think anybody is “pro-choice”. These people would be more acuratly labled"pro abortion". Look at all of the women who died after taking the abortion drug RU486. I’ve seen estimates that over 29 women world wide were killed and thousands were injured. Now why doesn’t one abortion advocate come out in favor of repealing this drug? I say because they don’t care about helping women.
 
matt1985 said:
I don’t think anybody is “pro-choice”. These people would be more acuratly labled"pro abortion". Look at all of the women who died after taking the abortion drug RU486. I’ve seen estimates that over 29 women world wide were killed and thousands were injured. Now why doesn’t one abortion advocate come out in favor of repealing this drug? I say because they don’t care about helping women.
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Yea, I think they use that word to try and make it sound more just.
 
An excellent book is *Defending Life *by Francis J. Beckwith. It is far and away the best defense of the pro-life position I have seen.

Hope this helps!
 
Thank you, but I still need help. Can anyone tell me what you can actually say when someone says that it is not right to foce your beliefs on a woman? Please are there any women out there who have had an abortion and have regreted it? Maybe you can answer this much better. What would you say?
 
Please, do not freak out at me; I do not support abortion in any way. However, I would like to ask if any of you have ever thought about any of the floowing things. I believe there is no excuse for taking the life of another person, for any reason. Now that I have made that clear, here are some things I would like to say, things I hear others say as well:
  • If abortion was to become illegal once again, the number of abortions done anually would very likely increase by quite a lot. They would be done by un-experienced people, and the chances of the mother dying as well as the baby are much greater.
  • God gives everyone of us freedom. We are completley free to choose whether we want to follow his word, and where to follow what he calls us to be in life. We can also choose to completley ignore everything he trys to tell us. I think that giving a woman the right to choose to have an abortion if she really feels it is the right thing for her to do, then let her. If she wants it bad enough, she will not let any law stand in her way from having one anyway. Also, it will be between God and that woman in the end; not between the government, God, and the woman. She was given a choice by the government, but she followed through with what she waas allowed to do; so it is her fault.
    Before anyone is to go through with an abortion, I believe they should go through some classses or a church to be educated on the subject; because it is not something to take lightly. Of course there are people out there who believe their is no life inside of a mother until many months along. We as Christians know that God has put that inside of a mother, and is already has a plan for it, so it is wrong for us to try and take away what God has planned.
Those are just some things to think about, not that they are right; but they can be thought through and discussed.
 
Gerard_Nadal said:
Get this book and read it. Embryo, A Defense of Human Life** By Robert P. George and Christopher Tollefsen. The authors approach the entire topic from biology and logic/reason. It’s very well thought out and easy to read. Here’s the link:**

amazon.com/Embryo-Defense-Robert-P-George/dp/0385522827

**The authors explicitly state that we don’t need religion to tell us the truth about the human embryo. It’s a masterpiece of a book.

God Bless**
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And before that Robert George wrote a wonderful book called “The Clash of Orthodoxies” Reading Selections are here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/reading-selections-from-%e2%80%9cthe-clash-of-orthodoxies%e2%80%9d-by-robert-p-george/

Broader in scope than just abortion. You will find his best arguments summarized there.

Prof. George’s most recent debate on abortion is here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/07/06/the-intellectual-chops-communication-skills-charisma-and-savvy/

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Christ_Imitator said:
Please, do not freak out at me; I do not support abortion in any way. However, I would like to ask if any of you have ever thought about any of the floowing things. I believe there is no excuse for taking the life of another person, for any reason. Now that I have made that clear, here are some things I would like to say, things I hear others say as well:
  • If abortion was to become illegal once again, the number of abortions done anually would very likely increase by quite a lot. They would be done by un-experienced people, and the chances of the mother dying as well as the baby are much greater.
  • God gives everyone of us freedom. We are completley free to choose whether we want to follow his word, and where to follow what he calls us to be in life. We can also choose to completley ignore everything he trys to tell us. I think that giving a woman the right to choose to have an abortion if she really feels it is the right thing for her to do, then let her. If she wants it bad enough, she will not let any law stand in her way from having one anyway. Also, it will be between God and that woman in the end; not between the government, God, and the woman. She was given a choice by the government, but she followed through with what she waas allowed to do; so it is her fault.
    Before anyone is to go through with an abortion, I believe they should go through some classses or a church to be educated on the subject; because it is not something to take lightly. Of course there are people out there who believe their is no life inside of a mother until many months along. We as Christians know that God has put that inside of a mother, and is already has a plan for it, so it is wrong for us to try and take away what God has planned.
Those are just some things to think about, not that they are right; but they can be thought through and discussed.
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These points are worthy of consideration, but it boils down to one thing for me - Christ said “Whatever you did for the least of these, you did for me and whatever you did not do for the least of these, you did not do for me” (not a direct quote, but I think you get my drift). I would not like to stand before Christ on Judgment Day and try to explain why I allowed babies to be murdered and did nothing to bring it to an end.
 
I would not like to stand before Christ on Judgment Day and try to explain why I allowed babies to be murdered and did nothing to bring it to an end.
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Alright, that is a legit concern. So, do you think we should make it illegal again, or just do our best to keep women from having them?
 
Making abortion illegal is only part of the solution. We also need to educate people about what is really happening during an abortion and we need to help women find alternatives.

We have a real culture of death problem in the world right now. It is manifested in abortion, contraception and santicty of marriage issues, among other problems.
 
So, you really believe that is going to solve our abortion problem?
What about all of those illegal abortions that are going to be done? I am nearly positive that more women will have them just because of the fact that they’re rebelling against the government. Illegal abortions would also likely be more dangerous to the mother, and greatley increase her chances of dying as well. I think we need to be educating people as much as we possibly can about it now. There is no reason to wait until it becomes illegal (which is very unlikely for that to happen again). But, if we can give enough scientific and psychological information to back up making it illegal, then I am completley for it.
If it is simply because the Church wants to make it illegal; then I am against it.
I support the idea of Serperation of Church & State. If Christians start putting all Biblical law into national law, the same thing is going to happen with other major religions such as Islam. And, we do not want to have a bunch of Islamic laws in our country.

Do you really believe that taking any form birth control is wrong?
I have actually had an argument about this from your side (saying that birth control is wrong). But, I don’t know if I actually believe that.
Sure, if you don’t want a baby you shouldn’t be having sex, I understand that.
—You are not harming any life by taking it. You are simply preventing a sperm and egg from meeting; so why is that wrong? I believe if the woman actually becomes pregnant that she should be totally willing, however, to give birth to that baby.
 
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