Abortions vs. sex education dilema

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Abortions in the UK are increasing and increasing. It’s truly horrible. The access to abortion is very easy and it seems that the regulations are very loose. One might suggest that abortions are becoming a form of contraception. Now, banning abortion would probably be the best way to go, however, to be realistic, this is not going to happen any time soon. One of the other possibilities is making the access to abortions more difficult and more education about the negative causes of it. However, probably the most realistic “solution” would be to have better sex education. This is a pretty good idea, however in a secular society sex education is inseparably associated with the use of contraceptives, which are against the teaching of the Church.

Here is the problem I’m facing. A group a students are planning to send a letter to the government informing them about this issue. Suggesting better sex education sounds like a good idea since it would very likely decrease abortions (in my opinion). However at the same time it would most likely include greater use of contraceptives. And so I’m facing a dilemma. Abortions or contraceptives? Do you think it is OK to mention sex education or not (without directly explaining that we are against condoms)?
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
Suggesting better sex education sounds like a good idea since it would very likely decrease abortions (in my opinion).
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While this might “sound” like a good idea to you, it is not. Please do the research. Secular style “sex education” does not decrease abortions. It increases teen sexual activity, increasing unintended pregnancies and abortions.

Chastity and abstinence education decrease teen sexual activity.

Again, do the research. Abortions have risen dramatically with the promotion of contraceptives and the inclusion of “sex education” in schools.
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However at the same time it would most likely include greater use of contraceptives. And so I’m facing a dilemma. Abortions or contraceptives?
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Abortion and contraception are two sides of the same coin. Increases in contraceptive promotions and usage coincides with an increase in “unintended” pregnancies. There is not an inverse relationship between these two things.

And, you can never achieve a good through an evil means. Therefore, promoting contraception in any way is out of the question.

Again, chastity and abstinence are the keys.
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Do you think it is OK to mention sex education or not (without directly explaining that we are against condoms)?
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No.

It is better to get educated on chastiy education and on the negative impact of “sex education” on teenage behavior.

There are many websites with information.
 
I agree with 1ke…

Maybe suggest that they cut back on sex ed. to only a days’ study in Biology along with the rest of the body, but don’t ever promote it. The only way for any nation to truly counteract this growing problem is to better inform people of the value of life. A favorite line of mine is, “That unborn child could have been the next Albert Einstein!” This denotes a gravity to the situation which people just don’t recognize. There is true potential in all people; thus, value must be given to both the born and the unborn. Anyway, those are just my two cents… Peace in Christ, gw

P.S. Maybe suggest that they teach CPR or life saving** courses instead as they seem to be increasingly necessary in today’s world. Just a thought…
 
Well, since anti-contraceptive education would never pass in this society (I don’t think they would even take it seriously) I guess it’s better not to mention it. I mean, don’t mention that sentence at all. That was my initial thought.

What do you think?
 
When I was in school, there was no such thing as “sex education.” And the rate of teenage pregnancies was quite low

Contraceptives were almost unobtainable. And the rate of teenage pregnancies was quite low

There is a positive correlation between sex education and contraception on the one hand, and teenage pregnancy and abortion on the other. The more sex education and contraception we have, the more teenage pregnancy and abortion we have.

To those who say, “More sex education and more available contraceptives will reduce the rate of abortion” I say, “Nice theory, but it hasn’t proven out in practice.”
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
Well, since anti-contraceptive education would never pass in this society (I don’t think they would even take it seriously) I guess it’s better not to mention it. I mean, don’t mention that sentence at all. That was my initial thought.

What do you think?
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I think that it is important to stand up for the truth and to teach your students to do the same.

No one will start taking it seriously until persons of good conscience stand up and make themselves heard. Do the research, get the facts, and provide the evidence.

There is tons of research indicating the reduction of teen sexual activity when they are taught abstinence. There are several threads here discussing the rise in HIV with the “condom” promotion being done in most countries. There is one about rising abortion related to contraception.
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
When I was in school, there too was no such thing as sex education, but there was a astronomical rate of teenage pregnancies. And like you we had no idea really where to obtain contraceptives.

I’m not disagreeing with the ideas expressed here about modern sex education as such, but the idea that if it were stopped young people would stop having sex is clearly ridiculous.

It would probably be better if sex education in schools were continued, but altered. Sex education shouldn’t just be about where do babies come from and how can pregnancy be averted, but also about the emotional side to having sex. How important it is. And supporting young people to having the assertiveness to be able to say no.
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So far as I know, no one has ever been able to show a negative correlation between sex education and teenage pregnancy – that is, demonstrate that more sex education is associated with lower teenage pregnancy. In fact, the data shows the opposite – a positive correlation.
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
Abortions in the UK are increasing and increasing. It’s truly horrible. The access to abortion is very easy and it seems that the regulations are very loose. One might suggest that abortions are becoming a form of contraception. Now, banning abortion would probably be the best way to go, however, to be realistic, this is not going to happen any time soon. One of the other possibilities is making the access to abortions more difficult and more education about the negative causes of it. However, probably the most realistic “solution” would be to have better sex education. This is a pretty good idea, however in a secular society sex education is inseparably associated with the use of contraceptives, which are against the teaching of the Church.

Here is the problem I’m facing. A group a students are planning to send a letter to the government informing them about this issue. Suggesting better sex education sounds like a good idea since it would very likely decrease abortions (in my opinion). However at the same time it would most likely include greater use of contraceptives. And so I’m facing a dilemma. Abortions or contraceptives? Do you think it is OK to mention sex education or not (without directly explaining that we are against condoms)?
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GandalfTheWhite,

I don’t think it’d be a good idea to mention sex education, without showing your disapproval of birth control - it would lead to the government assuming that you are requesting that they teach you guys (or younger children!) about birth control. Seriously, I don’t have all the facts but I don’t doubt the veracity of the statements made by other posters on this board. Ask for education in Abstinence, Chastity, and NFP. In all the things that go into sex (the emotional as someone said). If you write such a letter I’m sure others’d sign it…

Catholig
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
When I was in school, there too was no such thing as sex education, but there was a astronomical rate of teenage pregnancies. And like you we had no idea really where to obtain contraceptives.

I’m not disagreeing with the ideas expressed here about modern sex education as such, but the idea that if it were stopped young people would stop having sex is clearly ridiculous.
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No, what is ridiculous is the notion of public schools “teaching” so-called sex education and claiming it helps foster virtue or good health. Techniques and devices to further illicit acts do not help. They give a false sense of security and foster the idea that illcit sex is acceptable.

The mentality that exists today regarding sexuality is directly rooted in the acceptance of contraceptive sex acts. This is hard to see when we only want a good end regardless of what means we choose.
 
fix said:
No, what is ridiculous is the notion of public schools “teaching” so-called sex education and claiming it helps foster virtue or good health. Techniques and devices to further illicit acts do not help. They give a false sense of security and foster the idea that illcit sex is acceptable.

The mentality that exists today regarding sexuality is directly rooted in the acceptance of contraceptive sex acts. This is hard to see when we only want a good end regardless of what means we choose.
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:hmmm: :hmmm: is education defined as false teachings?, or were you trying to imply something
 
Texas_Roofer said:
:hmmm: :hmmm: is education defined as false teachings?, or were you trying to imply something
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I was saying there is no place for so called sex education in public schools. It is not their job. It usurps parental authority and it fosters vice.

Discussing biology in biology class in one thing. Discussing the mechanics and emotions of sexual acts and all that goes with them as a way to impart “knowledge” to young minds is not proper to the school environment at all.

I offer this as well:

THE TRUTH AND MEANING
OF HUMAN SEXUALITY
Guidelines for Education within the Family

It offers a genuine Catholic understanding of these issues.
 
I finished school (sixth form) recently, in 2002, and I’d say our secondary sex education was very limited and completely absent in primary education, though I hear it was apparently quite graphic in some secular and CofE primary schools. While my secondary school was single sex Catholic (I don’t know how things are in the US, but single sex schools are quite common and popular here), I should stress that students, me inclusive, were generally irreligious and weren’t much less hostile to religion than the culture at large. Apart from the things covered in biology, I vaguely remember one sex ed talk about contraceptives in Year 9, and two or three very watered-down and thoroughly secular abstinence talks done by Catholic or Evangelical guest speakers. The word “abstinence” wasn’t ever mentioned and the virtues of not having sex before marriage were promoted solely through statistics and personal experience.

The contraceptive talk wasn’t taken at all seriously because it was basically what everyone knew already and was done by someone the guys perceived in a negative light (feminist).

Based on my experience, I’d say that non-abstinence sex ed is counterproductive, because by its philosophy of damage limitation, it legitimises irresponsible sexual behaviour. The message it sends is “there’s nothing wrong with it and it’s very safe, as long as you follow these rules.”

The abstinence talks were on the one hand perceived as silly old-fashioned nonsense, but on the other, in retrospect, they virtually eliminated peer pressure because other alternatives were actually recognised as acceptable from a secular perspective. I don’t mean to be offensive or unPC, but the fact that they were done by men probably also had a big impact, especially because it went directly against certain stereotypes.

Secular abstinence sex ed, based on the impact I perceive it has had, is probably the best in a culture that is somewhat hostile to religion. I actually still know a few non-Christian and irreligious students to whom the message actually got through and who have, for secular reasons only and without parental influence, decided to delay having sex, possibly until marriage. One should definitely not have a fatalistic attitude towards moral education, even of irreligious people.

So, in my opinion, if you don’t have sex ed with reference to what is morally right or wrong, it’s best not to have any at all. In the absence of such education, the student is, in my opinion, more likely to accept parental guidance or at least to try and work out what is right and wrong for himself.
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
That is true. But I didn’t actually say that sex education as it is now will prevent teenage pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. What I said was that sex education should place more emphasis on how to say no to sex. Education on how to be more assertive and on the emotional side of sex.

Best wishes, C.
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But that won’t happen. “Sex education” will include birth control, condom use, and in some cases “sensitivity training” to make children “more tolerant” of homosexual behavior.
 
the averag teen is way more sexualized than they used to be, is this due to sex ed, society or both. I am not sure but I know one thing, sex ed may only be an example of a greater societal problem.
 
Potato1 said:
the averag teen is way more sexualized than they used to be, is this due to sex ed, society or both. I am not sure but I know one thing, sex ed may only be an example of a greater societal problem.
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Of course – but the anything-goes-heather-has-two-mommies-and-we-have-to-teach-children-to-masturbate-and-use-condoms courses didn’t help.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Of course – but the anything-goes-heather-has-two-mommies-and-we-have-to-teach-children-to-masturbate-and-use-condoms courses didn’t help.
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Certainly it didn’t help but the average teen probably gives little to know weight to what thier teachers are saying about this anyway, What emminem and brittany and TV and parents permissive behavior and ploy to be cool to thier kids has taught them that it is EXPECTED of them to be promiscuous. Perhaps a crotchety old teacher talking about sex does more to make it unhip.😃
 
Potato1 said:
Certainly it didn’t help but the average teen probably gives little to know weight to what thier teachers are saying about this anyway, What emminem and brittany and TV and parents permissive behavior and ploy to be cool to thier kids has taught them that it is EXPECTED of them to be promiscuous. Perhaps a crotchety old teacher talking about sex does more to make it unhip.😃
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The point is, sex education was touted as a solution – and that promise has not been borne out. And when we look at sex education, as the little man with the big ears said, we find “The devil is in the details.”
 
vern_humphrey said:
The point is, sex education was touted as a solution – and that promise has not been borne out. And when we look at sex education, as the little man with the big ears said, we find “The devil is in the details.”
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True, and I LOVE the little man with the big ears.
It just seems to me that the entire bulding is on fire and we are worried that the people trapped inside may be smoking a cigarett. I do agree that sex ed is a failed policy. It is more assinine than harmful when considering what kids hear and see and do.
 
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