About God's Justice

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Such as why he creates someone He already knows will reject Him and possibly cause others to do the same?
I’m not sure that it can be known whether a person rejects God before he is an actual living thing. Since free will is actually involved, the person has to actually exist and reach a point of intellectual maturity to make that kind of choice. Even if God can see all of time, and he can see that the person rejected him, the person must have existed to have actually made that choice.
 
I’m not sure that it can be known whether a person rejects God before he is an actual living thing. Since free will is actually involved, the person has to actually exist and reach a point of intellectual maturity to make that kind of choice. Even if God can see all of time, and he can see that the person rejected him, the person must have existed to have actually made that choice.
Not for a being that supposedly knows all from the beginning to the end of time and all its variations. Omniscience= knows all there is to know.
 
what makes Jesus so special, ever seen him?
My belief has grown in stages.
Stage 1 - My mother was a Jehovah’s witness. I learned about the existence of God like many children, before I had the capacity to doubt. God was as real as Santa Clause is to kids that grow up believing in him. I had no zeal for God or religion.

Stage 2 - About age 18, I went to step 1 and asked myself, “Do I believe there is a God.” I answer yes because I prefer that there is a God. Though I had no zeal in stage 1, God is a person who exists and I didn’t want to remove him from my world. In this stage I consider my role in the Divine scheme. Good guy? Bad guy? I consider what role others in the world play. There is a loose connection between my daily behavior and my thoughts about God and my relationship to him.

Stage 3 - In my early 30’s, I can see that poor behavior and poor morality (average American lifestyle) has taken a toll on my relationships, self image, emotion stability, and mental well-being. From experience, I conclude that if I could become wiser in the ways of righteousness my life would improve. I observe some Catholic people and vaguely sense that they have a greater sense of direction and well being.

Stage 4 - Age 32, I start going to RCIA and attending Mass. I learn that the Catholic Church has a wealth of knowledge about virtue and sin. I am impressed by how much they know about the human condition. I learn that the church is the oldest church for Christianity. Jesus Christ is a natural choice because of my life long initiation into Christianity. My knowledge of other religions is poor. I rule out polytheistic religions. My religious formation is monotheistic. I prefer one supreme God. I prefer Jesus Christ. I idealize self-sacrifice and heroism and kindness and mercy.

Stage 5 - I spend one year going to Catholic Mass. Shortly before my conditional baptism and confirmation I experience a profound internal change. I feel an inner flame. Temperature, like 40,000 degrees. Persistent.

Stage 6 - Age 33 to 38, I become zealous but lack wisdom or knowledge. I’m counseled to not speak about the Holy Spirit, because “I’m not that good at it.” My great faults as a human being become ever more obvious. I marvel at the strength of my heart. I come to believe that the Holy Spirit dwells within me. I forget what despair feels like.

Stage 7 - Age 39 - 40, I prefer the Catholic God and in prayer I say, “I prefer you Jehovah the Father, and you Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit whom I dread most to offend. I prefer you because you are righteous, not because I am righteous. Over all other (fictional)gods and demons and angels and spiritual powers and earthly powers, I prefer you because you are merciful and forgiving but firm in your justice.”
 
Not for a being that supposedly knows all from the beginning to the end of time and all its variations. Omniscience= knows all there is to know.
I don’t think there is any variations. Truthfully, I believe there is only one tale of time. Maybe that is the key difference in our understanding.
 
I don’t think there is any variations. Truthfully, I believe there is only one tale of time. Maybe that is the key difference in our understanding.
The variation I refer to is the idea of a god being outside of or uninfluenced by linear time…
 
Not for a being that supposedly knows all from the beginning to the end of time and all its variations. Omniscience= knows all there is to know.
To pontificate about omniscience implies omniscience!
 
I’m not sure that it can be known whether a person rejects God before he is an actual living thing. Since free will is actually involved, the person has to actually exist and reach a point of intellectual maturity to make that kind of choice. Even if God can see all of time, and he can see that the person rejected him, the person must have existed to have actually made that choice.
James,I think the problem we all run into on this point, God’s omniscience vs our free will, is that we are temporal creatures and can only think in terms of sequence of events. God is outside of time and exists in the eternal now, there is no way that in this life we can ever speak intelligently about a being who exists beyond anything we can imagine. That is why ultimately we have to rely on divine revelation. What God had revealed to us about himself are truths which we could never discover through our natural intellect. That is where faith enters the equation. Reasoning on a topic such as this can only take us so far, in the end we can never provide the proof someone without faith would require.
 
To pontificate about omniscience implies omniscience!
Having never known anyone with the gift of omniscience, I really can only go from the definition of the term and the claims of those who attribute it to their god. If one’s faith says that their deity is omniscient, then they can’t have it another way when that becomes inconvenient.
 
Having never known anyone with the gift of omniscience, I really can only go from the definition of the term and the claims of those who attribute it to their god. If one’s faith says that their deity is omniscient, then they can’t have it another way when that becomes inconvenient.
They don’t presume to know the exact extent of omniscience unless they are unorthodox!
 
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