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I’m not saying that I could say a hail mary or a rosary or anything like that but I was reading some questions from an RCIA online forum and I think I can see a an interesting connection.

When you are a Christian, you are a part of the body of Christ, right? So if, you are a part of the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ then she could be the mother of Christians and since the Ten Commandments say Honor Thy Father and Mother then that could mean honoring Mary…is this the way Catholics see it?
 
As a recent convert to the Church, Mary threw me for the longest time. Just couldn’t GET IT.

Then I read a poem by Gerard Manley Hopkins.

The essay is a little long but if you scroll to the end you’ll see the poem and my reaction to it here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/07/24/gerard-manley-hopkins/

It’s called “The Blessed Virgin Compared To The Air We Breathe” and I found it stunningly simple and explained everything I needed to know. Hope it does the same for you.

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I’m not saying that I could say a hail mary or a rosary or anything like that but I was reading some questions from an RCIA online forum and I think I can see a an interesting connection.

When you are a Christian, you are a part of the body of Christ, right? So if, you are a part of the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ then she could be the mother of Christians and since the Ten Commandments say Honor Thy Father and Mother then that could mean honoring Mary…is this the way Catholics see it?
in a nutshell 👍
 
I’m not saying that I could say a hail mary or a rosary or anything like that but I was reading some questions from an RCIA online forum and I think I can see a an interesting connection.

When you are a Christian, you are a part of the body of Christ, right? So if, you are a part of the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ then she could be the mother of Christians and since the Ten Commandments say Honor Thy Father and Mother then that could mean honoring Mary…is this the way Catholics see it?
Yeah, that’s a large part of it. Mariology is a big subject, but this definitely is a very important piece.
 
True Mariology is an extension of Christology.

It’s ultimately about who JESUS is.
 
Yes.

Catholics keep the whole law. We therefore honor our mother and Father. On the cross Yeshua made her our mother and the church her children.

Remember… him who does not keep the whole law and claims to know Christ is a liar!
 
Malia,

I’ve heard our relationship with Mary explained a hundred different ways but that cuts right to the heart of it. Congratulations!

Have a wonderful Advent
 
I’m not saying that I could say a hail mary or a rosary or anything like that but I was reading some questions from an RCIA online forum and I think I can see a an interesting connection.

When you are a Christian, you are a part of the body of Christ, right? So if, you are a part of the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ then she could be the mother of Christians and since the Ten Commandments say Honor Thy Father and Mother then that could mean honoring Mary…is this the way Catholics see it?
I’m curious. Why couldn’t you say a Hail Mary? Try it. Its completely biblical.

“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.” (Luke 1:28, Luke 1:48)

“Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.” (Luke 1:42)

“Holy Mary, Mother of God.” (Luke 1:43)

“Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.” (John 19: 26-27).
 
Yes.

Catholics keep the whole law. We therefore honor our mother and Father. On the cross Yeshua made her our mother and the church her children.

Remember… him who does not keep the whole law and claims to know Christ is a liar!
So…you always observe all 613 commandments of the Torah?
That is what you’re saying you’re doing, when you say that you “keep the whole law”.

…yet somehow, I don’t think it’s true…
 
So…you always observe all 613 commandments of the Torah?
That is what you’re saying you’re doing, when you say that you “keep the whole law”.

…yet somehow, I don’t think it’s true…
The Law is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, its rituals and rites in the rituals and rites of the Catholic Church, its laws and priesthood in the laws and priesthood of Catholicism, and many of its other laws are fulfilled in the hearts of men, exterior laws like circumcision perfected as spiritual laws cutting off the “foreskin” of sin in our hearts. And the civil laws we fulfill through our submission to the moral laws of the Catholic faith, laws that plunge far deeper than the exterior laws of Israel. So yes, we keep the Law. There was no part of it that was not fulfilled in Christ and is not fulfilled in His Living, Mystical and Glorious Body today :).

God bless! 👍
 
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So…you always observe all 613 commandments of the Torah?
That is what you’re saying you’re doing, when you say that you “keep the whole law”.
…yet somehow, I don’t think it’s true…
You do understand that there’s a difference between Mosaic Law and Christ’s Law? The 613 commandments of the Torah are the formulation of Mosaic Law. Christ maintained that the only part of the Law of Moses we were to adhere to were the ten commandments. Throughout the New Testament there are exhortations against what the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees were doing in compliance with Mosaic Law. “You have been told to do this…” or “You have heard it said that…” and always, Jesus provides us with a different way.
 
I’m not saying that I could say a hail mary or a rosary or anything like that but I was reading some questions from an RCIA online forum and I think I can see a an interesting connection.

When you are a Christian, you are a part of the body of Christ, right? So if, you are a part of the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ then she could be the mother of Christians and since the Ten Commandments say Honor Thy Father and Mother then that could mean honoring Mary…is this the way Catholics see it?
Malia,

Protestants these days have a fascination with having “a personal relationship with Jesus Christ”. This is certainly a good thing. Many have questioned me about whether I had a personal relationship with Jesus. For them that was the criteria for “getting saved” and hoping for my well being that is what they wished for me. So do I wish this, for myself and them.

At first when I asked them what they meant, that seemed to prove to them that I did not have this relationship. If I did not know what that meant I needed to find Jesus and did not know Him as my lord and savior. I had not been “saved” and they would pester me about my need for salvation. They wanted me to say a sinner’s prayer and be saved.

Finally I came up with an answer that made them leave me alone. I said I do have a personal relationship with Jesus. I am Catholic and I eat His Body and drink His blood. This is very personal.

I also have other relationships. I am married and have a wife. I have children and grandchildren and other relations. You can see the word there, relatio. I also have friends at work, church, neighbors and I have a personal relationship with all of these people as well. At one level or another the most fundamental bond that allows all of our relationships to exist is love.

God is love and He loves you.

Mary is indeed the mother of Christ as you say. Christ is God. She is the mother of God.
Surely Jesus loves His mother. Catholics do also. They seek her assistance and prayers and do not despise and reject her help.

When a person close to you with whom you have a relationship dies, maybe a parent or sibling or someone you really love, do you stop loving the person? Or, does love survive?

In the very early days of the Church the leaders of the Church realized they needed to create a list of essential things Christians believed. The list was called the Apostles Creed. The tenth or eleventh article of the Creed says, “We believe in the Communion of Saints”.

Lovers of God are in a communion. In any communion something is shared. There is a bond that holds it together. The saints love one another. God is love and is the bond that holds them all in relationship with one another and Him.

This love is more powerful than death. So as you can have a relationship with Jesus, and your parents, and others, you can also have a relationship with those who are alive in God in heaven. We do not stop loving them when they depart this life and they do not stop loving us.

You can have a relationship with Mary the Mother of Jesus. Jesus loves you and so does Mary and so do all the saints in heaven. They are sons and daughters of God, like you. They are your brothers and sisters in Christ. The love we have for one another does not end with the grave.

The way you have a relationship with Mary is the same as having one with Jesus, simply by wanting it, asking for it. The thought of this is repulsive to most Protestants. Catholics say she is a treasure that Protestants reject. Imagine rejecting the love of the Mother of God.

Protestants say God is jealous and He alone wants to be the object of our love. We love God above all else, but surely He wants us to also love the things He loves. In fact He commands us to love one another. Jesus is like us in all ways, but sin. He loves His mother, but what about her love for Him?

God the Father loves His Son with an infinite love. We finite creatures are limited, but we see that we love some people more than others. The most important person to a mother is her child. She love her child more than the next door neighbor loves her child. A mother’s love is greater than others.

Mary is not jealous. She wants her Son to be loved by others and helps others to love Him more perfectly. That is the testimony of all the saints of all the ages.
 
Somebody before said it… Jesus gave us Mary as our mother when He was dying on the cross.(John, behold your mother, Woman, behold your son etc) Plus she’s a fabulous example for women to follow!

BTW your justification also supports praying for the intercession of Saints. It doesn’t make sense how most Protestants will ask other people to pray for each other and yet condemn asking saints (other people… just in a different place) to pray for them. It’s a contradiction! The worst part is when people defame Mary… because if you love Jesus so much, why say bad things about her? She IS Jesus’s mother after all… :confused:

So being Jesus’s mother… the Mother of God, even as just another person she has a very special place in heaven… Queen of Heaven in fact. And I can personally vouch for her intercession. So when you’re asking God for help, it really helps if you ask Mary and as many saints as you can think of to do so too. Because there’s a big difference between one person asking for something, and 50 asking Him for the same thing.🙂
 
Malia,

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and Son of Mary.

Spirit and matter are joined forever in the Son of God. Humanity and Divinity are joined. Another word for joined is married. To marry is to join together. Jesus was born of Mary.

Saint Paul tells us that through baptism we become adopted children of God. Jesus is begotten. We are adopted. We belong to a family. Families have mothers and fathers and children who are brothers and sisters. If we are adopted children of God, then God is also our Father and we call God Father as Jesus taught us to do. Jesus is His son. That makes not only God our Father by adoption, but Jesus our brother.

Jesus has a mother also. Then who is she to us who are brothers and sisters in the Lord?

Mary is your mother.

Read the Old Testament story of Queen Esther and see Mary’s role in the plan of salvation prefigured.
 
=Malia Belen;5991723]I’m not saying that I could say a hail mary or a rosary or anything like that but I was reading some questions from an RCIA online forum and I think I can see a an interesting connection.
When you are a Christian, you are a part of the body of Christ, right? So if, you are a part of the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ then she could be the mother of Christians and since the Ten Commandments say Honor Thy Father and Mother then that could mean honoring Mary…is this the way Catholics see it?
*:DWow, That dear friend is Wisdom GRANTED from God:D

Very well done:thumbsup:

It goes a bit deepter than that, but what a wonderful understanding.

Because God is Perfect, By God’s very Nature, God MUST remain Perfect. It is from this understading that we are able to understand that Mary, HAD TO BE PERFECTED prior to and in order to become the Mother of God. God could not be born of a sinful Mother!

But in addition to that FACT, we find in Mary the personification and pefrection of Humility, Chasity, Charity and Obedience. By any standard Mary is the most perfect [even without the necessary perfection endowed by God] human person in the History of the world.

Therefore Mary is the rolemodel for all humanity.

My reading Genesis chapter 26 and seeing what God COMMANDED and DEMANDED from Moses for His Ark which was only [if I may be permitted to use the word "only?] for HIS SPIRIT, one can surmise what God’s expetations were and are for the Living tabernacle of His Son Jesus Chrsit.🙂

Then and if the Incarnation [Birth of Jesus] and His Death and Ressurection were to be understood, recogonized, lived with gratitude, Christ from the Cross made Mary “our Mother too.” What an awesome God we have and what an example of God’s expetations for us we have in “Mother Mary.” So we could follow her example.

John 19:26 "[26] “When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near,[the foot of His Cross] he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”
Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.”

In closing I hasten to point out that it is far more accurate to say "that Caholics Pray THROUGH MARY’ and not truly “to” [as an end to the prayer].*

"Hail Mary, full of grace
The Lord is with thee
Blessed are you among women
and Blessed is the fruit of you’re womb… Jesus
Holy Mary,
Mother of God
Pray for us sinners
Now and at the hour of our death…

Amen!"
 
The reply above comes pretty close to what I would say to someone trying to better understand why Catholics honor Mary.

Luke 1:48 is a good start.

Further, Christ on the cross made Mary the spiritual Mother for all mankind (John 19:26-27). Clearly Christ wasn’t saying that Mary was John’s biological mother, but his (and all mankinds) spiritual mother.

We are required by the 5th Commandment to honor our parents. It’s only natural that we should honor Mary as our spiritual Mother.
 
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