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For now I should have been asleep and still, and should have rest in my sleep. (Job 3,13)

Hi,
Using this versicule, for example (there are anothers: Ecle 9,5; Gn 37,35; Dt 32,22; 1 King 2,6; Job 10,21; Is 38,10.18 …), what do you have to say about Sheol? Or better, what happens to us after death? How much information about Sheol, it would be better.😃

Thanks.
 
For now I should have been asleep and still, and should have rest in my sleep. (Job 3,13)

Hi,
Using this versicule, for example (there are anothers: Ecle 9,5; Gn 37,35; Dt 32,22; 1 King 2,6; Job 10,21; Is 38,10.18 …), what do you have to say about Sheol? Or better, what happens to us after death? How much information about Sheol, it would be better.😃

Thanks.
What happens to us after death is we are immediately judged by God (the Particular Judgement) and if we have died in a state of mortal sin then we go to Hell and if we died in a state of grace then we are saved (either straight to Heaven but more likely through Purgatory first).

Sheol is not Hell. If we die and are condemned we go to Hell and not Sheol.
 
Wasn’t Sheol the “Limbo of the Fathers” where the souls of the patriarchs and others who died in OT times rested until the death and resurrection of Jesus? 1 Peter 3:19 tells us that Jesus “preached to the spirits in prison.”
 
Wasn’t Sheol the “Limbo of the Fathers” where the souls of the patriarchs and others who died in OT times rested until the death and resurrection of Jesus? 1 Peter 3:19 tells us that Jesus “preached to the spirits in prison.”
Yes that’s my understanding too.
 
Philip S. Johnston, Shades of Sheol: Death and Afterlife in the Old Testament

Read Luke 16 Rich man. Sheol had two compartments, one for the righteous and the other for the wicked.

Isaiah 14:9-18 (New International Version)

9 The grave below is all astir
to meet you at your coming;
it rouses the spirits of the departed to greet you
all those who were leaders in the world;
it makes them rise from their thrones
all those who were kings over the nations.

10 *They will all respond,
they will say to you,
“You also have become weak, as we are;
you have become like us.” *

11 All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,
along with the noise of your harps;
maggots are spread out beneath you
and worms cover you.

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."

15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.

16 **Those who see you stare at you, **
they ponder your fate:
"Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,

17 the man who made the world a desert,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?"

18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
 
My English isn’t so good, but let’s go…

People of the Bible thought the universe as being a thing having Sheol (under), Earth and Heaven - I’m not sure about these terms in English… -, and by four essencial elements: water, fire, air and earth. The sum is seven, which in Bible means fullness, perfection, totality.

In Old Testament, there are many passages about people goind down (to Sheol) after death. And hard passages:

For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecle 9,5)

Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.” (Ecle 9,10)

“Hell” in this case doesn’t mean “Geena” (as the place or state of eternal torments we are used to listen), but it means “Sheol”.

In that time, I guess they didn’t have notion about a life after death. So, it’s described as a place where people are sleeping, as protestants want. In New Testament, God’s Revelation turns clear. We have clear that after death people aren’t sleeping (for example, Moisés didn’t appear to Jesus sleeping!, and other proofs…).

I know until Christ to die, people who were with God during life were waiting in the Limbo of the Fathers (Limbus Patrum). Jesus died, went down to Hell (not Geena), and He announced Gospel to them. And in Sheol there were two partitions: one for good people, and another to bad people. This Hell to where Jesus went is Limbus Patrum, am I right?

More doubts… Until Jesus to go down to Hell to lead people in Limbus Patrum to Heaven, were people sleeping? I know after New Testament, there isn’t sleep after death, but in Old Testament?

Now, a little about a book I’m reading now: The Divine Comedy. I think the author, Dante Alighieri, was a catholic italian theologian… In the book, there are some true ideas about Catholic Theology. He uses Sheol in the literal sense, or rather, Sheol (or Hades, in Greek) is in the interior of the Earth, and he and Virgílio go down through Sheol. And he puts Sheol as a place were people have conscience and are suffering.

Based on this information in the book, I was thinking that everybody in Old Testament died and were in Sheol (with both partitions) and in New Testament good people were leaded to Heaven, while all condemned people continue in Sheol without body just suffering with soul. And on final of times condemned people are going to suffer with body and soul in the Geena. So, Sheol continues existing for us until now as a place or state of suffering, and, over there, there are people who died enemies of God with conscience.

Could someone say if my suspicious is right?

Thanks.
 
Hi Marcos if you read Ancient Near Eastern Literature by Prictard you will see that early on the concept of sheol was a place of shaddows. People were alive, but in a stupior, not fully asleep and not fully awake at all times. Most of your proof texts speak of the dead as appearing alseep to the living “under the sun”. As time went on, the concept of sheol evolved into two compartments like reflected in Luke 16. Another development was purgatory.
PURGATORY: By : Kaufmann Kohler
An intermediate state through which souls are to pass in order to be purified from sin before they are admitted into the heavenly paradise. The belief in purgatory, fundamental with the Roman Catholic Church, is based by the Church authorities chiefly upon II Macc. xii. 44-45: “If he [Judas] had not hoped that they that were slain should have risen again it had been superfluous and vain to pray for the (dead. . . . Whereupon he made an atonement that they might be delivered from sin”; for this indicates that souls after death pass through an intermediate state in which they may by some intercession be saved from doom. The same view, that an atonement should be made for the dead, is expressed in Sifre, Deut. 210. The idea of an intermediate state of the soul, release from which may be obtained by intercession of the saints, is clearly dwelt upon in the Testament of Abraham, Recension A, xiv., where the description is given of a soul which, because its good and its evil deeds are equal, has to undergo the process of purification while remaining in a middle state, and on whose behalf Abraham intercedes, the angels joining him in his prayer, whereupon the soul is admitted into paradise.
Rabbinic Views.
The view of purgatory is still more clearly expressed in rabbinical passages, as in the teaching of the Shammaites: “In the last judgment day there shall be three classes of souls: the righteous shall at once be written down for the life everlasting; the wicked, for Gehenna; but those whose virtues and sins counterbalance one another shall go down to Gehenna and float up and down until they rise purified; for of them it is said: ‘I will bring the third part into the fire and refine them as silver is refined, and try them as gold is tried’ Zech. xiii. 9.]; also, ‘He [the Lord] bringeth down to Sheol and bringeth up again’” (I Sam. ii. 6). The Hillelites seem to have had no purgatory; for they said: “He who is ‘plenteous in mercy’ Ex. xxxiv. 6.] inclines the balance toward mercy, and consequently the intermediates do not descend into Gehenna” (**Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 3; R. H. 16b; Bacher, “Ag. Tan.” i. 18). **Still they also speak of an intermediate state.
Regarding the time which purgatory lasts, the accepted opinion of R. Akiba is twelve months; according to R. Johanan b. Nuri, it is only forty-nine days. Both opinions are based upon Isa. lxvi. 23-24: “From one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall all flesh come to worship before Me, and they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched”; the former interpreting the words “from one new moon to another” to signify all the months of a year; the latter interpreting the words “from one Sabbath to another,” in accordance with Lev. xxiii. 15-16, to signify seven weeks. During the twelve months, declares the baraita (Tosef., Sanh. xiii. 4-5; R. H. 16b), the souls of the wicked are judged, and after these twelve months are over they are consumed and transformed into ashes under the feet of the righteous (according to Mal. iii. 21 [A. V. iv. 3]), whereas the great seducers and blasphemers are to undergo eternal tortures in Gehenna without cessation (according to Isa. lxvi. 24).
The righteous, however, and, according to some, also the sinners among the people of Israel for whom Abraham intercedes because they bear the Abrahamic sign of the covenant are not harmed by the fire of Gehenna even when they are required to pass through the intermediate state of purgatory ('Er. 19b; Ḥag. 27a).
History of Purgatory.
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SHEOL By : Emil G. Hirsch
—Biblical Data:
It connotes the place where those that had died were believed to be congregated. Jacob, refusing to be comforted at the supposed death of Joseph, exclaims: “I shall go down to my son a mourner unto Sheol” (Gen. xxxvii. 36, Hebr.; comp. ib. xlii. 38; xliv. 29, 31). Sheol is underneath the earth (Isa. vii. 11, lvii. 9; Ezek. xxxi. 14; Ps. lxxxvi. 13; Ecclus. [Sirach] li. 6; comp. Enoch, xvii. 6, “toward the setting of the sun”); hence it is designated as (Deut. xxxii. 22; Ps. lxxxvi. 13) or (Ps. lxxxviii. 7; Lam. iii. 55; Ezek. xxvi. 20, xxxii. 24). It is very deep (Prov. ix. 18; Isa. lvii. 9); and it marks the point at the greatest possible distance from heaven (Job xi. 8; Amos ix. 2; Ps. cxxxix. 8). The dead descend or are made to go down into it; the revived ascend or are brought and lifted up from it (I Sam. ii. 6; Job vii. 9; Ps. xxx. 4; Isa. xiv. 11, 15). Sometimes the living are hurled into Sheol before they would naturally have been claimed by it (Prov. i. 12; Num. xvi. 33; Ps. lv. 16, lxiii. 10), in which cases the earth is described as “opening her mouth” (Num. xvi. 30). Sheol is spoken of as a land (Job x. 21, 22); but ordinarily it is a place with gates (ib. xvii. 16, xxxviii. 17; Isa. xxxviii. 10; Ps. ix. 14), and seems to have been viewed as **divided into compartments (Prov. vii. 27), **with “farthest corners” (Isa. xiv. 15; Ezek. xxxii. 23, Hebr.; R. V. “uttermost parts of the pit”), one beneath the other (see Jew. Encyc. v. 217, s. v. Eschatology). Here the dead meet (Ezek. xxxii.; Isa. xiv.; Job xxx. 23) without distinction of rank or condition—the rich and the poor, the pious and the wicked, the old and the young, the master and the slave—if the description in Job iii. refers, as most likely it does, to Sheol. **The dead continue after a fashion their earthly life. **Jacob would mourn there (Gen. xxxvii. 35, xlii. 38); David abides there in peace (I Kings ii. 6); the warriors have their weapons with them (Ezek. xxxii. 27), yet they are mere shadows (“rephaim”; Isa. xiv. 9, xxvi. 14; Ps. lxxxviii. 5, A. V. “a man that hath no strength”). The dead merely exist without knowledge or feeling (Job xiv. 13; Eccl. ix. 5). Silence reigns supreme; and oblivion is the lot of them that enter therein (Ps. lxxxviii. 13, xciv. 17; Eccl. ix. 10). Hence it is known also as “Dumah,” the abode of silence (Ps. vi. 6, xxx. 10, xciv. 17, cxv. 17); and there God is not praised (ib. cxv. 17; Isa. xxxviii. 15). Still, on certain extraordinary occasions the dwellers in Sheol are credited with the gift of making knowntheir feelings of rejoicing at the downfall of the enemy (Isa. xiv. 9, 10). Sleep is their usual lot (Jer. li. 39; Isa. xxvi. 14; Job xiv. 12). Sheol is a horrible, dreary, dark, disorderly land (Job x. 21, 22); yet it is the appointed house for all the living (ib. xxx. 23). Return from Sheol is not expected (II Sam. xii. 23; Job vii. 9, 10; x. 21; xiv. 7 et seq.; xvi. 22; Ecclus. [Sirach] xxxviii. 21); it is described as man’s eternal house (Eccl. xii. 5). It is “dust” (Ps. xxx. 10; hence in the Shemoneh 'Esreh, in benediction No. ii., the dead are described as “sleepers in the dust”).
God Its Ruler.
God’s rulership over it is recognized (Amos ix. 2; Hos. xiii. 14; Deut. xxxii. 22; I Sam. ii. 6 [Isa. vii. 11?]; Prov. xv. 11). Hence He has the power to save the pious therefrom (Ps. xvi. 10, xlix. 16, the text of which latter passage, however, is recognized as corrupt). Yet Sheol is never satiated (Prov. xxx. 20); she “makes wide her soul,” i.e., increases her desire (Isa. v. 14) and capacity. In these passages Sheol is personified; it is described also as a pasture for sheep with death as the shepherd (Ps. xlix. 15). From Sheol Samuel is cited by the witch of En-dor (I Sam. xxviii. 3 et seq.). As a rule Sheol will not give up its own. They are held captive with ropes. This seems to be the original idea underlying the phrase (II Sam. xxii. 6; Ps. xviii. 6; R. V., verse 5, “the cords of Sheol”) and of the other expression, (Ps. cxvi. 3; R. V. “and the pains of Sheol”); for they certainly imply restraint or capture. Sheol is used as a simile for “jealousy” (Cant. viii. 7). For the post-Biblical development of the ideas involved see Eschatology.
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ESCHATOLOGY
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IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL By : Kaufmann Kohler
Immortality of Martyrs.
The point of view from which the Ḥasidim regarded earthly existence was that man was born for another and a better world than this. Hence Abraham is told by God: “Depart from this vain world; leave the body and go to thy Lord among the good” (Testament of Abraham, i.). The immortality of martyrs was especially dwelt on by the Essenes (Josephus, “B. J.” vii. 8, § 7; i. 33, § 2; comp. ii. 8, §§ 10, 14; idem, “Ant.” xviii. 1, § 5). The souls of the righteous live like birds (See Jew. Encyc. iii. 219, s.v. Birds) in cages (“columbaria”) guarded by angels (IV Esd. vii. 32, 95; Apoc. Baruch, xxi. 23, xxx. 2; comp. Shab. 152b). According to IV Esdras iv. 41 (comp. Yeb. 62a), they are kept in such cages () before entering upon earthly existence. The soul of martyrs also have a special place in heaven, according to Enoch (xxii. 12, cii. 4, cviii. 11 et seq.); whereas the Slavonic Enoch (xxiii. 5) teaches that “every soul was created for eternity before the foundation of the world.” This Platonic doctrine of the preexistence of the soul (comp. Wisdom viii. 20; Philo, “De Gigantibus,” §§ 3 et seq.; idem, “De Somniis,” i., § 22) is taught also by the Rabbis, who spoke of a storehouse of the souls in the seventh heaven ("'Arabot"; Sifre, Deut. 344; Ḥag. 12b). In Gen. R. viii. the souls of the righteous are mentioned as counselors of God at the world’s creation (comp. the Fravashi in “Farwardin Yast,” in “S. B. E.” xxiii. 179).Upon the belief that the soul has a life of its own after death is based the following story: “Said Emperor Antoninus to Judah ha-Nasi, ‘Both body and soul could plead guiltless on the day of judgment, as neither sinned without the other.’ ‘But then,’ answered Judah, ‘God reunites both for the judgment, holding them both responsible for the sin committed, just as in the fable the blind and the lame are punished in common for aiding each other in stealing the fruit of the orchard’” (Sanh. 91a; Lev. R. iv.). “There is neither eating nor drinking nor any sensual pleasure nor strife in the world to come, but the righteous with their crowns sit around the table of God, feeding upon the splendor of His majesty,” said Rab (Ber. 17a), thus insisting that the nature of the soul when freed from the body is purely spiritual, while the common belief loved to dwell upon the banquet prepared for the pious in the world to come (see Eschatology; Leviathan). Hence the saying, “Prepare thyself in the vestibule that thou mayest be admitted into the triclinium”; that is, “Let this world be a preparation for the next” (Ab. iv. 16). The following sayings also indicate a pure conception of the soul’s immortality: “The Prophets have spoken only concerning the Messianic future; but concerning the future state of the soul it is said: ‘Men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God beside Thee, what He hath prepared for him that waiteth for Him’” (Ber. 34b; comp. I Cor. ii. 9, Greek; Resh, “Agrapha,” 1889, p. 154). “When man dies,” says R. Meïr, “three sets of angels go forth to welcome him” (Num. R. xii.); this can only refer to the disembodied soul.Nevertheless, the prevailing rabbinical conception of the future world is that of the world of resurrection, not that of pure immortality. Resurrection became the dogma of Judaism, fixed in the Mishnah (Sanh. x. 1) and in the liturgy (“Elohai Neshamah” and “Shemoneh 'Esreh”), just as the Church knows only of a future based upon the resurrection; whereas immortality remained merely a philosophical assumption. When therefore Maimonides (“Yad,” Teshubah, viii. 2) declared, with reference to Ber. 17a, quoted above, that the world to come is entirely spiritual, one in which the body and bodily enjoyments have no share, he met with strong opposition on the part of Abraham of Posquières, who pointed in his critical annotations (“Hassagot RABaD”) to a number of Talmudical passages (Shab. 114a; Ket. 111a; Sanh. 91b) which leave no doubt as to the identification of the world to come ("'olam ha-ba") with that of the resurrection of the body.
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