Abrogate a Holy Day

[edward_george]

So an LAer who visits another part of the country is under no obligation to attend Mass on Jan 1 as well as another who visits LA on Jan 1 is under no obligation either. Is this correct?

On the former, no, the LAer is not bound anymore by the laws of LA when he leaves LA, but of the place where he goes. And one who visits LA is bound by the laws of LA as long as they are there. Assuming, of course, that the person is a traveler (i.e. someone who is just away from home) and not a transient (someone who has no home), as that would be a completely different set of circumstances.

-ACEGC

 

[SMHW]

W

On the former, no, the LAer is not bound anymore by the laws of LA when he leaves LA, but of the place where he goes. And one who visits LA is bound by the laws of LA as long as they are there. Assuming, of course, that the person is a traveler (i.e. someone who is just away from home) and not a transient (someone who has no home), as that would be a completely different set of circumstances.

-ACEGC

That seems strange. I was under the impression that travelers were bound by the least restrictive requirements of both areas.

While it is certainly wonderful is someone attends Mass for a Holy Day of Obligation for the location one is visiting it seems like it places undo burden on a traveler to know that it is a Holy Day of Obligation. And if the traveler tries to meet the obligation for his domicile diocese when traveling to a location that doesn’t have an obligation that puts extra burden on the traveler to find a Mass (since there may not be all that many to chose from).

Now in the case of dispensed Holy Days of Obligation I can see how it might be different since people *ought *to know better. But I’m guessing a lot of travelers who come from Los Angeles have no clue what obligation to attend Mass they would have.

 

[edward_george]

W

That seems strange. I was under the impression that travelers were bound by the least restrictive requirements of both areas.

While it is certainly wonderful is someone attends Mass for a Holy Day of Obligation for the location one is visiting it seems like it places undo burden on a traveler to know that it is a Holy Day of Obligation. And if the traveler tries to meet the obligation for his domicile diocese when traveling to a location that doesn’t have an obligation that puts extra burden on the traveler to find a Mass (since there may not be all that many to chose from).

Now in the case of dispensed Holy Days of Obligation I can see how it might be different since people *ought *to know better. But I’m guessing a lot of travelers who come from Los Angeles have no clue what obligation to attend Mass they would have.

Ah you’re right. I misread the section of the Code. I ought to have put it up to begin with.

Can. 13 §1. Particular laws are not presumed to be personal but territorial unless it is otherwise evident.
§2. Travelers are not bound:
1º by the particular laws of their own territory as long as they are absent from it unless either the transgression of those laws causes harm in their own territory or the laws are personal;
2º by the laws of the territory in which they are present, with the exception of those laws which provide for public order, which determine the formalities of acts, or which regard immovable goods located in the territory.
§3. Transients are bound by both universal and particular laws which are in force in the place where they are present.

So travelers are not bound by the laws of their territory or by the laws where they’re at, unless there are certain circumstances present as listed. Transients on the other hand (people with no domicile) are in the worst shape, as my Canon Law prof told us–they’re bound by all laws, both universal and particular to the place where they’re at.

-ACEGC

 

[ProVobis]

So travelers are not bound by the laws of their territory or by the laws where they’re at, unless there are certain circumstances present as listed.

Good way to attract people to the Rosebowl Parade and Disneyland on Jan 1st.

I know because I was there once on that day. Crowds were huge.

 

[SMHW]

Good way to attract people to the Rosebowl Parade and Disneyland on Jan 1st.

I know because I was there once on that day. Crowds were huge.

Nobody in California who knows better goes anywhere near Pasadena on New Years Day unless they live there or are viewing/involved with the parade/game. January 1st (or January 2nd if the 1st falls on a Sunday) is a good day to avoid Pasadena if you are not viewing or working the parade and game. The traffic is horrendous, even by Southern California standards.

I was never involved with the parade but my university has a float every year since 1949. Those who are involved spend most of the day and night prior to the parade putting the floats together. (You want to wait until the last possible moment to put the flowers on the floats so they look their best.)

Parade and game participation doesn’t prevent anyone from attending Mass; but it does make it somewhat more difficult.

I have heard conflicting reports about whether or not January 1st is a good day to visit Disneyland.

 

[ProVobis]

Parade and game participation doesn’t prevent anyone from attending Mass; but it does make it somewhat more difficult.

I have heard conflicting reports about whether or not January 1st is a good day to visit Disneyland.

I ended up attending a Mass near San Diego as I didn’t know about the LA rule. Meanwhile my family was waiting for me in the parking area of Disneyland, where it took me a while to find them. A very long day and long lines everywhere. I haven’t returned since.