Absent Priest, Valid Mass?

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adrift said:
You are making a judgement on who is in charge therefore you are making a chuch into yourself instead of following the Church that Jesus said would not be destroyed by satan.
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That’s a straw man’s argument. There is nothing that says that we cannot have a longterm vacancy of the Church’s position. And I’m not sure how a citation of Pope Paul IV’s INFALLIBLE decree is “making up my own law”. Please explain.
 
Sbyvl said:
  1. CAF is not a Traditional Catholic forum. It is the laughing stock of the online Trad world.
  2. If you want to see a real Trad forum, go to Suscipedomine.com
  3. Sedevacantism will continue to be discussed as it is the only viable option. To be in communion with a false pope is to be outside the Church.
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There is a specific “Traditional Catholicism” Forum within CA. It does not refer to “traditional” in the way you use the term. Sedevacantist topics were restricted to that forum, but are now prohibited in all forums on this site. As such, you will find the moderators prepared to delete threads, posts, or users as they see fit.

You will find yourself unable to discuss these things here. Perhaps it is better for you to return to the site that you have recommended.
 
youkokun said:
Sorry, I’ve never been to one of these. I have heard of communion services rather than Mass being held on the Friday and Saturday before Easter, but this doesn’t seem to fit the bill.:confused:

A lady led us in praying the act of Contrition (the one with the “grievous fault”) and a couple of opening prayers. Then she read from the Old Testament. Then another lady said the responsorial (…“clean waters upon you, I will wash away all your sins” was our part, which although I know isn’t wrong still feels wrong for me to say) and then the first lady read aloud the alleluia snippet and then the Gospel. I couldn’t pay attention because I thought it was weird that it wasn’t a priest reading it. She closed it in the same way, sat down among us in the pews, and after what felt like five min (probably less) of what was probably supposed to be prayerful silence she stood and let us with the Our Father and petitions, whichever order that was, and then took some host out of the cubby in the wall where the priest normally puts the uneaten consecrated host.

I was praying, “please let it be You, I came here because I wanted to be with You, if it is You please unite me to You” with such uncertainty, I think that my doubt must have caused me to sin. Looking back I guess that host was pre-consecrated, and she wasn’t pretending to be a priest; she didn’t say “the mystery of faith”. But I wasn’t thinking that at the time, I was only hoping it was really Jesus, but afraid because of who was holding Him.

I apologize for all the childish terminology. I was reconciled last Easter, so although I’ve got the words down (unless we switch to Latin or Spanish for the Lamb of God) I’m not 100% familiar yet. I don’t mind going to Mass again–actually, I’m planning to go again tomorrow–but I don’t want to inadvertently disrespect Christ.
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Hi youkokun,

It sounds to me as if you attended a valid Liturgy of the Word with Communion (LWC) service.

In the absence of a priest, a LWC service may be held either on Sundays or
or weekdays. If a deacon is available, he presides; otherwise, a layman or laywoman who is an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion (EMHC) may do so. The readers at an LWC service are laymen or laywomen but do not have to be EMHCs. The Liturgy of the Word with Communion service is based on the Roman Missal.

I found the information in this link to be excellent and similar to what you described. I hope that it will set your mind at rest and bring you peace.

liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/CWC/CWAC.pdf
 
chefmomster2 said:
There is a specific “Traditional Catholicism” Forum within CA. It does not refer to “traditional” in the way you use the term. Sedevacantist topics were restricted to that forum, but are now prohibited in all forums on this site. As such, you will find the moderators prepared to delete threads, posts, or users as they see fit.

You will find yourself unable to discuss these things here. Perhaps it is better for you to return to the site that you have recommended.
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Why not? What are they afraid of?
 
pianistclare said:
:rolleyes:
You would disrespect the opinion of a good and holy priest? Wow.

I’m not being silly. I’m totally serious. Lay ministry is there for a reason.
I get that you’re upset about it, but it doesn’t make it wrong.
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Is there a bridge nearby, I smell a troll.
 
Sbyvl said:
  1. CAF is not a Traditional Catholic forum. It is the laughing stock of the online Trad world.
  2. If you want to see a real Trad forum, go to Suscipedomine.com
  3. Sedevacantism will continue to be discussed as it is the only viable option. To be in communion with a false pope is to be outside the Church.
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um, so what are you doing here? Saving the heathens?
Please, spare me the hateful and divisive rhetoric.
 
Sbyvl said:
By the way:

The Church states that “The faithful are bound to assist at Mass [and refrain from labor] on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation.”. Obviously if there is no valid Mass near by there is no obligation, but a “Communion service” is just a sacrilege, and odds are you can find a lovely TLM or Byzantine Divine Liturgy within a half hour’s drive.
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Actually, I’d have to drive 1500 Km to get to a TLM or Divine Liturgy. I’d even have to drive 600 Km to attend Mass when our Pastor can’t be there on Sunday, something that does happen once or twice a year.
 
pianistclare said:
um, so what are you doing here? Saving the heathens?
Please, spare me the hateful and divisive rhetoric.
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Explain to me how I am being hateful.

The truth is NECESSARILY divisive. Some will accept it, others won’t. Catholics shouldn’t worry about offending infidels.
 
detoutcoeur said:
Hi youkokun,

It sounds to me as if you attended a valid Liturgy of the Word with Communion (LWC) service.

In the absence of a priest, a LWC service may be held either on Sundays or
or weekdays. If a deacon is available, he presides; otherwise, a layman or laywoman who is an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion (EMHC) may do so. The readers at an LWC service are laymen or laywomen but do not have to be EMHCs. The Liturgy of the Word with Communion service is based on the Roman Missal.

I found the information in this link to be excellent and similar to what you described. I hope that it will set your mind at rest and bring you peace.

liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/CWC/CWAC.pdf
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👍👍👍
 
detoutcoeur said:
Hi youkokun,

It sounds to me as if you attended a valid Liturgy of the Word with Communion (LWC) service.

In the absence of a priest, a LWC service may be held either on Sundays or
or weekdays. If a deacon is available, he presides; otherwise, a layman or laywoman who is an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion (EMHC) may do so. The readers at an LWC service are laymen or laywomen but do not have to be EMHCs. The Liturgy of the Word with Communion service is based on the Roman Missal.

I found the information in this link to be excellent and similar to what you described. I hope that it will set your mind at rest and bring you peace.

liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/CWC/CWAC.pdf
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Thanks for the link, and for such a complete answer! Now I am just glad to have partaken. I guess it’s similar to having to confess to a priest you know isn’t doing something right; he’s still a priest, so the confession and absolution count. This was still the Eucharist, and even if the “conduit” (how they explained it in RCIA") was imperfect it did its job.
 
Phemie said:
Actually, I’d have to drive 1500 Km to get to a TLM or Divine Liturgy. I’d even have to drive 600 Km to attend Mass when our Pastor can’t be there on Sunday, something that does happen once or twice a year.
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If there is no TLM near you, then you don’t have to go to Mass. Just as a Lutheran service does not fulfill your Sunday obligation, neither does the Novus Ordo.
 
Sbyvl said:
Explain to me how I am being hateful.

The truth is NECESSARILY divisive. Some will accept it, others won’t. Catholics shouldn’t worry about offending infidels.
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I thought an infidel was someone who had no religious belief at all. Is that incorrect?
 
Sbyvl said:
I’m not a troll. I’m just a faithful Trad trying to enlighten some Modernists.
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You certainly are a troll. You wrote this on another forum
So I registered at CAF (Note: this is not a disparagement). The question is: how long will it take for me to banned from there? I encourage you, SD’ers, to predict how long it will take. Whomever guesses correctly gets a prize!
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When an atheist poster did the same thing on that forum you wrote:
You and your kind are a pack of trolls. You stated on TTA that your sole purpose for being here was to see how long it was until you got banned. We consider that trolling.
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You think it is trolling when someone does it to a group you like, but you think it is just peachy to do it here.
 
minkymurph said:
I thought an infidel was someone who had no religious belief at all. Is that incorrect?
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“Unless you eat this bread and drink this blood you shall not have life within you”
Non-Catholics are spiritually dead. It doesn’t matter if you are Proddie, Jew, Mohan, Hinduck, or whatever. They are all barred from Heaven, and lack the true faith. Do you dispute this? If so, you are going against Catholic INFALLIBLE dogma (See: Council of Florence) and have become a manifest heretic. You are in a state of mortal sin.
 
So I registered at CAF (Note: this is not a disparagement). The question is: how long will it take for me to banned from there? I encourage you, SD’ers, to predict how long it will take. Whomever guesses correctly gets a prize!
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twenty seconds after the moderator sees your post. So what do I win?
 
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