Absent Priest, Valid Mass?

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the only abuse seems to be that a woman led the service (I say service, NOT Mass). My parents went to Utah once on a trip for just the two of them (actually it was several states, they were in Utah for sunday). Anyway, they went to a Communion service but it was led by a deacon (with already concentrated hosts). Though I think they said he joked it was more like a Mass since there was a collection. Since Utah is mostly MORMON country and they were in a national park at the time(I think) it was in place of the sunday obligation since getting to a regular Mass was not possible.

btw, Sbyvl, do you also consider Saint John Paul the 2nd an anti pope? Though he was ordained BEFORE Vatican II, he was made pope AFTER Vatican II.
 
floresco said:
When somebody else did this exact same thing to your forum, you called him a troll.
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I had no intention to troll. It’s my duty as a Catholic to instruct the ignorant. So I came here. Nobody I’ve spoken to seems to have the slightest idea of basic Catholic doctrine.
 
Sbyvl said:
Very well, then. From Pope Pius X’s Catechism of the Catholic Church:

3 Q. Who is a true Christian?
A. A true Christian is he who is baptised, who believes and professes the Christian Doctrine, and obeys the lawful pastors of the Church.
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See how you switched over from “non-Catholic” to “Christian?”

trolling fail.
 
jediliz said:
the only abuse seems to be that a woman led the service (I say service, NOT Mass). My parents went to Utah once on a trip for just the two of them (actually it was several states, they were in Utah for sunday). Anyway, they went to a Communion service but it was led by a deacon (with already concentrated hosts). Though I think they said he joked it was more like a Mass since there was a collection. Since Utah is mostly MORMON country and they were in a national park at the time(I think) it was in place of the sunday obligation since getting to a regular Mass was not possible.

btw, Sbyvl, do you also consider -]Saint /-]John Paul the 2nd an anti pope? Though he was ordained BEFORE Vatican II, he was made pope AFTER Vatican II.
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He’s a heretic, so barred from divine law from the Papacy. He was a valid Bishop, but not a valid Cardinal.
 
“Christ said, “I am the Truth”; he did not say “I am the custom.”
-St. Toribio

Please prayerfully reconsider your terrible choice of words in this thread. People can have their own opinions, but you are speaking against the Church, and against other Christians. Certainly not the way Our Lord would have us do.
I doubt that the people on your “other” website would approve of these tactics. If you loved the Church, you would not engage in this sort of rhetoric.

As I said before, I will pray for you.
 
Sbyvl said:
I had no intention to troll. It’s my duty as a Catholic to instruct the ignorant. So I came here. Nobody I’ve spoken to seems to have the slightest idea of basic Catholic doctrine.
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You are not posting in good faith. You have a thread going on another forum taking bets on how long it will take you to get banned. This has nothing to do with your duty as a Catholic. You are trying to score points with people on another forum.

This is what you wrote when an atheist did this same thing to your forum:
You and your kind are a pack of trolls. You stated on TTA that your sole purpose for being here was to see how long it was until you got banned. We consider that trolling. You obviously do not care to learn anything about the Catholic faith.
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You consider this trolling. You said so yourself.
 
Sbyvl said:
This is a Post-Vatican II thing. This would never happen at a valid Catholic parish, with a valid Catholic priest. These “communion services” are the first step towards the abolition of the clergy. They should be avoided at all costs.
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Where in the world do you get your ideas from. Women are even used at the Vatican in their Masses. Your anger kinda shows here.
 
pianistclare said:
“Christ said, “I am the Truth”; he did not say “I am the custom.”
-St. Toribio

Please prayerfully reconsider your terrible choice of words in this thread. People can have their own opinions, but you are speaking against the Church, and against other Christians. Certainly not the way Our Lord would have us do.
I doubt that the people on your “other” website would approve of these tactics. If you loved the Church, you would not engage in this sort of rhetoric.

As I said before, I will pray for you.
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How am I speaking against the Church? Or other Christians? Please explain.
 
Sbyvl said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Catholic Church states upholds the inerrancy of Scripture.
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The inerrancy of Scripture, yes. Your dogmatic and legalistic interpretation of scripture contra the full weight of Tradition and the Magisterium? No.
 
Sbyvl said:
I had no intention to troll. It’s my duty as a Catholic to instruct the ignorant. So I came here. Nobody I’ve spoken to seems to have the slightest idea of basic Catholic doctrine.
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And you are an expert on all things Catholic and the rest of us are idiots?
 
robwar said:
Where in the world do you get your ideas from. Women are even used at the Vatican in their Masses. Your anger kinda shows here.
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My guess is that he is a Protestant trying to discredit Catholics. He seems to know very little about Catholicism. :confused:
 
1newcatholic said:
My guess is that he is a Protestant trying to discredit Catholics. He seems to know very little about Catholicism. :confused:
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That’s why I am able to cite 2,000 years of Catholic doctrine. Riiiight. I actually have a blog, if you need to verify that I’m not a Proddie heretic. sbyvl.wordpress.com
 
1newcatholic said:
My guess is that he is a Protestant trying to discredit Catholics. He seems to know very little about Catholicism. :confused:
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He is a sedevacantist Catholic. They do not accept that the pope is the pope and they reject Vatican II.

It is an extreme form of traditionalist Catholicism.
 
Sbyvl said:
Which “good and holy priest”?
  1. I think I’ll take Saint Paul’s opinion over your apologist, thank you.
  2. If he was “ordained” in the New Rite of Ordination, he’s not a valid priest.
  3. Lay ministry is there because the Freemason Antipope Paul VI put it there.
  4. No, me being upset about women running the “liturgy” doesn’t make it wrong. What makes it wrong is that it goes against 2000 years of tradition.
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In the Catholic Church, St. Paul’s opinion is not yours to freely interpret, but for the Apostolic Magisterium to interpret - they deliver the Gospel and teaching of Christ to us in person. And we then search the scriptures to see that it witnesses with them to us.

As to Paul VI, we have seen through the witness of Scripture and the history of the Church that the Holy Spirit has not let the Church be conquered by the gates of Hell but has continued to keep us safe as his Kingdom, his Holy People, in the world, but not of the world.

Deaconesses participated in the Church in the first century for expedient reasons, though not as priests - it is for expedience that the Church can enlist any member for appropriate acts of the Church - we do not belong to ourselves but are members of the Body and must go and do as the Head calls us to go and do. We are not free to have our own interpretations of what comes from the Head.

John Martin
 
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