Absolute morality

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Truth is absolute. What the church taught yesterday is the same as what it teaches today and will teach forever.
Teaching can develop, but this means that certain aspects of teachings are expanded upon, and made clearer. This does not change teaching.
When Pope Francis says he wants to change church teaching on the death penalty, he is objectively wrong. If the death penalty was morally acceptable yesterday, it is morally acceptable today and will be forever.
Truth is absolute, and if you deny this, there is a heresy specifically for you. It is called modernism.

“I sincerely hold that the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through the orthodox Fathers in exactly the same meaning and always in the same purport. Therefore, I entirely reject the heretical’ misrepresentation that dogmas evolve and change from one meaning to another different from the one which the Church held previously.” Pope Saint Pius X, Oath against modernism.
 
It won´t make your view more true if you start a new thread to promote it.
 
The death penalty is not doctrine or dogma. The Pope can change the Church’s stance on that topic any time he wants too, and another Pope could change it yet again.
 
Not in this words, did nobody teached you well behaviour in typing, too?
 
It is a doctrine. Is has been defined as such by the universal ordinary magisterium. The ordinary magisterium is infallible.
 
What a surprise. You are changing the subject again and insulting me personally! Now answer my question. Is truth absolute? Yes or no.
 
Show me where the death penalty is a doctrine of the Church.
 
Do you know what the universal ordinary magisterium is?
If all the bishops of the church as well as the Pope teach something concerning faith and morals, it is infallible.
The church has always taught that the death penalty is acceptable. This is even found in the CCC.
 
When you say, “When Pope Francis says he wants to change church teaching on the death penalty, he is objectively wrong,” it just shows you don’t know the difference between “Teaching” and “Dogma”, a common malady of those rejecting truth for the sake of tradition that they clearly don’t understand either.
 
Doctrines defined by the ordinary magisterium, such as on the death penalty, are infallible. Not only dogmas are infallible.
 
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If the death penalty was morally acceptable yesterday, it is morally acceptable today and will be forever.
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It is not that the death penalty is always “acceptable”. Instances of CP can be assessed to determine whether they amounted to a moral act or not. The longstanding tradition of the Church is that CP is not intrinsically evil - this means that it’s use - subject to other factors can in some instances be moral. That is all we can say.
 
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Catholic theological sources nowadays say that there are three levels of magisterial teaching authority. The first two are infallible, the third is not infallible. But all three require the assent of the faithful (both internal and external).

The only truths taught by the Church that we know are infallible are those taught at the first or second level of teaching authority.

Dogmas are the first level. They are infallible and cannot change. The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist is a dogma. The divine and human natures in the one Jesus Christ is a dogma.

Other teachings (such as that of Capital Punishment) are not taught at the first or second level and so we cannot say that a teaching on Capital Punishment could not be changed by the magisterium.

That said, natural law doesn’t change because a pope teaches something on it. We will see what will happen with Pope Francis’ comments on the death penalty.
 
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It is a doctrine. Is has been defined as such by the universal ordinary magisterium. The ordinary magisterium is infallible.
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Jesus suffered the death penalty. Did Jesus say the death penalty is the truth?
 
Why is the good thief told he will be with Christ in paradise? Because he acknowledges that he has been sentenced justly.

39 Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us.”

40 The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, "Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation?

41 And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal." 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 He replied to him, “Amen I say to you today you will be with me in Paradise.”
 
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