Abstinence leads to teen pregnancy!?

[Dorothy]

There are far more benefits from abstinence than not getting pregnant. It is about self-respect and self-control.

For Christians, eternal values enter the picture as well.

 

[gardenswithkids]

they are the ones who will be making the decision, and they need correct information to make that decision.

While I suport teaching abstinence, not every program that calls itself an abstinence program really encourages it. A local school district used to use a program that some jokingly referred to as “abstinence until ready”. It basically taught that teens should abstain until they are “ready”, but it created a value-free defintion of readiness. Wait until when? Wedding night? Prom night? It didn’t say.

Should we apply the logic from sex-ed programs to anti-smoking programs, since they ultimately choose if they smoke or not? Schools could say *“We think you shouldn’t smoke until your ready, but when you smoke, be sure to use a filtered cigarette.” *A public service ad declares “there’s no such thing as a healthy cigarette.” Trying to teach teens about “healthy sex outside of marriage” is like promoting “healthy cigarettes”. :whacky:

 

[porriwiggle]

Yeah- thanks you guys.

I will read that stuff and become informed so I have more ammo for next time this stuff comes up- thanks very much one and all.

It stinks cuz I was trying to say that just handing out condoms and birth control is assuming the worst in kids- that we’ll just go around having sex like crazy animals… I talked about sexual activity outside of marriage in a derrogatory light and she got mad at me and closed the argument down by calling me a close minded judgemental tyrant.

It sucks cuz thats all I am to a lot of my friends.

It’s hard to argue with people who just refuse to listen. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried. One of the most useful lines I’ve found is: “Do you think God gave the Israelites the 10 Commandments just because he wanted to be nasty, or because he was bored and wanted to boss people about a bit?”

It can catch people’s attention and give you the chance to say that contraception and abortion only hurt people. Doing it God’s way leads not to momentary pleasure but lasting happiness.

 

[Dorothy]

<<Without God life is empty and sterile.

With God life is joy and nothing is impossible >>

AMEN!

 

[renee1258]

I was raised with that “teens are going to have sex anyways” attitutude. Basically the guys that I dated, if you want to call it dated only had one thing on their mind, which was getting into your pants because as a teenage male it was their supposed “liberal given right” to have sex. if you weren’t going to give in, then wouldn’t give you the time of day. And if you gave in to their want after they were done with you, they wouldn’t give you the time of day.

ABC isn’t effective. Condoms are readily available without prescription not only at drug stores at a cheap price but also free at the high school nurses office teens get pregnant. The PIll by nature neuters a woman’s sexuality by suppressing the very hormones that make her enjoy sex, so her vagina becomes nothing more then a orifice for male pleasure like the palm of his hand. If ABC worked no women would have to endure getting abortion and sacrificing her unborn child or suffer the venerablitiy of raising a child on her own, when the male blows her off and so called feminists tell her it is a liberating choice to kill or be a single mother.

The reality is pre-marital sex and contraception is nothing more then absolute hatred of women, in which we are nothing more devices at the whim of men’s calling. And that is why abstinence and natural family works, because the man has to first honor the woman as a human being, to respect her as his own flesh, to learn and understand her body, and if there is a serious or grave reason not to concieve a child BOTH must sacrifice and abstain during her fertile phase of the cycle.

I encounter so many women who have been victims of the teen sex, premarital sex, contraception, and even abortion and when they learn natural family planning they get angry because it is so easy to learn and understand the basics of sexuality and fertility from a medical/educational point of view they wonder why this isn’t being taught to them as young teens going through puberty. I learned the hard way, as myself being a victim of such tantilizing lies that you can have sex without consequences. I’ve embraced the Church teachings because as a woman God’s way allows me to enjoy the gift of my sexuality in a safe way called marriage in which my husband honors and respects me, and we will always welcome life in our relationship.

 

[criffton]

Abstinence is also easier to teach. Here’s a course in abstinence.

Who - You

What - Abstinence

Why - 100% effective at protecting against STD’s, unwanted pregnacy, and many relationship problems

When - Until You are Married

Where - Everywhere

How - Keep your pants on in the company of the opposite gender.

 

[porriwiggle]

The main problem is that people will believe whatever they want to hear no matter how ridiculous it is, or how obviously contadictory.

The very phrase “Abstinence leads to teen pregnancy” is an oxymoron. It contradicts itself, and yet people will quote that without bothering to think what it means.

Like the White Queen they can easily believe six impossible things before breakfast because it suits them to. Common sense and morality don’t seem to have a place in modern society.

 

[DatGangstaStuff]

Like the White Queen? Heh… Is that referring to Narnia? Sorry if I’m way off track. Just wondering…

Thanks again for everybody’s help. I wish I weren’t such a moron and I could debate this stuff, but I can never think of what to say- I freeze up in debates and I end up failing the Church. I feel like I should probably avoid participating in debates when I can so as to avoid making the Church look bad… I at least need to do some hardcore studying first.

 

[porriwiggle]

Like the White Queen? Heh… Is that referring to Narnia? Sorry if I’m way off track. Just wondering…

Alice in Wonderland. The White Queen trained herself to believe six impossible things before breakfast. The pro-abortion loby says six is not enough it should be at least 600. At least I assume they do because that is how they behave.

 

[HoppityRedux]

While I suport teaching abstinence, not every program that calls itself an abstinence program really encourages it. A local school district used to use a program that some jokingly referred to as “abstinence until ready”. It basically taught that teens should abstain until they are “ready”, but it created a value-free defintion of readiness. Wait until when? Wedding night? Prom night? It didn’t say.

Should we apply the logic from sex-ed programs to anti-smoking programs, since they ultimately choose if they smoke or not? Schools could say *“We think you shouldn’t smoke until your ready, but when you smoke, be sure to use a filtered cigarette.” *A public service ad declares “there’s no such thing as a healthy cigarette.” Trying to teach teens about “healthy sex outside of marriage” is like promoting “healthy cigarettes”. :whacky:

A program can easily be divided into two segments. One simply teaches the clinical aspects and statistical data. The other can deal with the values. I would expect the first part to be the same whether taught in a Catholic school or libertarian academy. I would expect the second part to vary as a function of the school’s orientation.

 

[HoppityRedux]

I was raised with that “teens are going to have sex anyways” attitutude. Basically the guys that I dated, if you want to call it dated only had one thing on their mind, which was getting into your pants because as a teenage male it was their supposed “liberal given right” to have sex. if you weren’t going to give in, then wouldn’t give you the time of day. And if you gave in to their want after they were done with you, they wouldn’t give you the time of day.

ABC isn’t effective. Condoms are readily available without prescription not only at drug stores at a cheap price but also free at the high school nurses office teens get pregnant. The PIll by nature neuters a woman’s sexuality by suppressing the very hormones that make her enjoy sex, so her vagina becomes nothing more then a orifice for male pleasure like the palm of his hand. If ABC worked no women would have to endure getting abortion and sacrificing her unborn child or suffer the venerablitiy of raising a child on her own, when the male blows her off and so called feminists tell her it is a liberating choice to kill or be a single mother.

The reality is pre-marital sex and contraception is nothing more then absolute hatred of women, in which we are nothing more devices at the whim of men’s calling. And that is why abstinence and natural family works, because the man has to first honor the woman as a human being, to respect her as his own flesh, to learn and understand her body, and if there is a serious or grave reason not to concieve a child BOTH must sacrifice and abstain during her fertile phase of the cycle.

I encounter so many women who have been victims of the teen sex, premarital sex, contraception, and even abortion and when they learn natural family planning they get angry because it is so easy to learn and understand the basics of sexuality and fertility from a medical/educational point of view they wonder why this isn’t being taught to them as young teens going through puberty. I learned the hard way, as myself being a victim of such tantilizing lies that you can have sex without consequences. I’ve embraced the Church teachings because as a woman God’s way allows me to enjoy the gift of my sexuality in a safe way called marriage in which my husband honors and respects me, and we will always welcome life in our relationship.

I suppose we could also say abstinence doesn’t work. It doesn’t unless it is practiced properly.

The same can be said about ABC. It also fails unless practiced properly.

I notice a tendency for folks to make sweeping statements about the effectiveness of ABC. Many want to say it doesn’t work or is not effective. Let’s hope the programs taught to the kids are much more forthcoming in explaining how and why things work, and how and why they don’t. It’s far more accurate to provide a statistic on the effectiveness of ABC than to simply say it doesn’t work. For millions of women it is very effective. For others it isn’t. In both cases we should know why. I’d say women do not deserve to be kept in the dark.

 

[gardenswithkids]

I suppose we could also say abstinence doesn’t work. It doesn’t unless it is practiced properly.

The same can be said about ABC. It also fails unless practiced properly…It’s far more accurate to provide a statistic on the effectiveness of ABC than to simply say it doesn’t work.

Even when used according to the directions, contraception sometimes still results in unplanned pregnancy. The “rate of failure” means pregnancies per year using that method, which means the chance of unplanned pregnancy over several years is actually higher. Also, those “failure rates” published are based on “perfect use” Typical contraceptive failure rates are much higher; a non-Catholic source on contraceptive failure rates showed the typical rate of oral contraceptive failure was closer to 9%http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/birthcontrol/a/effectivenessbc.htm

When practiced properly, abstinence never results in pregnancy.
(Okay, the exception proves the rule: I acknowledge the virgin birth of Christ. , but that pregnancy wasn’t unplanned.)