Abstinence Only Programs?

[1ke]

In other words, Christ was silent on the matter.

Not at all.

 

[JoArtist]

Contraception is an intrinsic evil and a grave sin against the Sixth Commandment. See the Catechism.

So you think using a condom is murder? There is a big difference between not being open to a new life and murdering one that already exists.

 

[1ke]

I am pretty sure that was a yes or no question and you evaded it.

It is not a yes or no question at all. The OP doesn’t give two alternatives.

“Better” than what?

The Truth is always better than a lie.

 

[1ke]

So you think using a condom is murder? There is a big difference between not being open to a new life and murdering one that already exists.

I believe you have confused the Fifth and Sixth Commandments.

 

[Warrior1979]

Not at all.

Citation please.

Stating “Truth of Christ” with no evidence of Christ stated this “Truth” is obviously problematic.

 

[Debora123]

This is still ignoring the elephant hiding behind the grass leaf. In the business world an analysis like that would have gotten the program manager fired on the spot. Correlation does not mean cause and effect. If I have a patient with gangrene in his leg and I amputate it the patient still has a good chance to die because of the gangrene. However, if I overdose him on morphine he does not die of gangrene and he does not suffer but he still dies. That means that amputation is not as effective as morphine in preventing death by gangrene. Is my analysis correct or not?

Ok well I guess one could always choose to believe correlation/statistics/evidence is completely inaccurate.

To each their own.

 

[JoArtist]

I believe you have confused the Fifth and Sixth Commandments.

using contraception doesn’t mean you are committing adultery either. Adultery refers to exta-marital or pre-marital sex or sexual acts.

 

[1ke]

Citation please.

Stating “Truth of Christ” with no evidence of Christ stated this “Truth” is obviously problematic.

You do not state your religion. If you are a Catholic, then you know that the Church teaches infallibly in faith and morals. If you are not Catholicl, and adhere to the notion of sola scriptura, then that is another thread and not appropriate to go off on a tangent here.

 

[1ke]

using contraception doesn’t mean you are committing adultery either. Adultery refers to exta-marital or pre-marital sex or sexual acts.

Yes, contraception is a sin against the Sixth Commandment. The Sixth Commandment encompasses all sexual sin.

Please go read the Catechism.

 

[Debora123]

I don’t believe any of your poll options accurately represent what Catholics are to believe and advocate on the matter.

WHAT???

You basically said public schools shouldn’t teach either abstinence OR safe sex. Just human sexual biology.

My option #4 was “public schools shouldn’t teach neither abstinence or safe sex.” So how is that not your option???

You are so confusing.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

using contraception doesn’t mean you are committing adultery either. Adultery refers to exta-marital or pre-marital sex or sexual acts.

scborromeo.org/confess.htm

SIXTH COMMANDMENT
“You shall not commit adultery.” (Ex 20:14) “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.” (Ex 20:17)

Note: In the area of deliberate sexual sins listed below, all are mortal sins if there is sufficient reflection and full consent of the will. “No fornicators, idolaters, or adulterers, no sodomites,… will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor 6:9-10) “Anyone who looks lustfully at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his thoughts.” (Mt 5:28)
Did I willfully entertain impure thoughts or desires?
Did I use impure or suggestive words? Tell impure stories? Listen to them?
Did I deliberately look at impure TV, videos, plays, pictures or movies? Or deliberately read impure materials?
Did I commit impure acts by myself (masturbation)?
Did I commit impure acts with another - fornication (premarital sex), adultery (sex with a married person)?
Did I practice artificial birth control (by pills, device, withdrawal)? Did I marry or advise anyone to marry outside the Church?
Did I avoid the occasions of impurity?
Did I try to control my thoughts?
Did I engage in homosexual activity?
Did I respect all members of the opposite sex, or have I thought of other people as objects?
Did I or my spouse have sterilization done?
Did I abuse my marriage rights?

 

[Debora123]

Your question, based on false dichotomies, had no answer.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. They were yes or no questions. You chose not to answer them, which is fine, but then you blamed me for asking questions without answers.

 

[JoArtist]

Yes, contraception is a sin against the Sixth Commandment. The Sixth Commandment encompasses all sexual sin.

Please go read the Catechism.

Although the Church teaches against the use of contraception, I am pretty sure they don’t lump it under adultery. You also tend not to properly cite anything and tell us where you get it from and somehow expect us to take your word for it.

 

[JoArtist]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. They were yes or no questions. You chose not to answer them, which is fine, but then you blamed me for asking questions without answers.

This person is making no sense and totally evading questions when a simple yes or no will suffice. Saying over and over they should know the truth really does not mean anything. It is like me saying I will bring change in this world, but then not saying what change, good, bad, what? You need to explain what you mean by truth… the truth about condoms? contraception? what?

 

[1ke]

Although the Church teaches against the use of contraception, I am pretty sure they don’t lump it under adultery.

See CCC section entitled The Sixth Commandment, paragraphs 2366-2372 and 2399

You also tend not to properly cite anything and tell us where you get it from and somehow expect us to take your word for it.

What more do you need than *The Sixth Commandment *and Catechism of the Catholic Church? Seriously can you not look it up?

I have also repeatedly cited The Truth And Meaning Of Human Sexuality as a source on this topic, it is a Vatican document. That too is available online should one take the time to Google it.

 

[1ke]

This person is making no sense and totally evading questions when a simple yes or no will suffice.

i am not evading anything. Pose questions that make sense and i will answer them.

Saying over and over they should know the truth really does not mean anything.

Contraception is an intrinsic evil, I stated my position. That is the Truth and that is what the Church teaches. The Church treats human sexuality in a wholistic way in the document I cited-- The Truth And Meaning Of Human Sexuality. I encourage you to read it. I am not going to post it here, it’s 80 pages long.

You need to explain what you mean by truth… the truth about condoms? contraception? what?

I already did.

 

[1ke]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. They were yes or no questions. You chose not to answer them, which is fine, but then you blamed me for asking questions without answers.

Your questions were phrased in a similar way to the logical fallacy called a loaded question or tu quoque. An example of such a question is:

Are you still beating your wife?

Such a question is NOT a yes or no question.

 

[JoArtist]

then do you think that they should learn anything about condoms? I am not saying that they should endorse them, but I am asking as others have, if you think they should learn what one is?

 

[JoArtist]

Forget it I give up. I feel like I am talking to a teenager trying to be difficult.

 

[Debora123]

Your questions were phrased in a similar way to the logical fallacy called a loaded question or tu quoque. An example of such a question is:

Are you still beating your wife?

Such a question is NOT a yes or no question.

How in the world is are you beating your wife? not a yes or no question???