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From what I’ve read on Camus’ Theory of the Absurd, it seems that he advocates three positions:

*Take a leap of faith in adopting a religious worldview, which he feels doesn’t help the person address the absurdity of his life;

*Commit suicide, which simply evades the issue of absurdity again; or

*Rebel against the absurdity, creating meaning in what he feels is an otherwise cold and indifferent universe.

Now I’m confused here. To me the last option seems to strike me as strange. If in an atheistic universe there is no God and therefore no meaning to anything, wouldn’t Camus’ last option merely be another leap of faith? Wouldn’t nihilism be a better worldview since it more closely aligns with the meaningless of the world in an atheistic universe?

Secondly, how do we as Christians deal with the fact that, unless I’m mistaken (and I probably am), we are unable to prove that God exists?
 
To address your last statement/question, you are wrong. The Church teaches that we can indeed know of the existence of God through natural reason alone. There are many such lines of reasoning. The most famous are probably found in Aquinas. Check out William Lane Craig and John Lennox and Edward Feser and CS Lewis and Fr Robert Spitzer for more evidence than you can shake a very large stick at.

I agree that “creating meaning” in a meaningless universe is an absurd concept. Such meaning could only ever be pretend meaning.
 
To address your last statement/question, you are wrong. The Church teaches that we can indeed know of the existence of God through natural reason alone. There are many such lines of reasoning. The most famous are probably found in Aquinas. Check out William Lane Craig and John Lennox and Edward Feser and CS Lewis and Fr Robert Spitzer for more evidence than you can shake a very large stick at.

I agree that “creating meaning” in a meaningless universe is an absurd concept. Such meaning could only ever be pretend meaning.
Thank you for the correction.

Back to Camus’ three options, it seems that an atheistic universe would require one to be a nihilist given the lack of meaning such a system entails. Does this make philosophical sense?
 
Thank you for the correction.

Back to Camus’ three options, it seems that an atheistic universe would require one to be a nihilist given the lack of meaning such a system entails. Does this make philosophical sense?
Yes, in pure philosophical terms. However, the atheist might say that we need to have some meaning for our species to have risen above other species. It gave us an evolutionary advantage to believe we were special. Now that we have ascended to intelligence, we hang onto meaning to keep from annihilating ourselves. I think this reasoning sidesteps a lot of issues, but then atheistic reasoning has no problem doing so, while still believing it the most reasonable of any other. 🤷
 
Yes, in pure philosophical terms. However, the atheist might say that we need to have some meaning for our species to have risen above other species. It gave us an evolutionary advantage to believe we were special. Now that we have ascended to intelligence, we hang onto meaning to keep from annihilating ourselves. I think this reasoning sidesteps a lot of issues, but then atheistic reasoning has no problem doing so, while still believing it the most reasonable of any other. 🤷
That’s what strikes me as odd about atheism (and again, I’m Catholic and may be misunderstanding atheism here)…it seems that any attempt to create meaning is pointless, but it also highlights another important point: Humans have a need for meaning and purpose (it’s in our very being as humans).

I’d like to say that this yearning for meaning can be taken as a sign that God exists, but I fully realize that that statement may not be philosophically sound.
 
Thank you for the correction.

Back to Camus’ three options, it seems that an atheistic universe would require one to be a nihilist given the lack of meaning such a system entails. Does this make philosophical sense?
What makes or does not make philosophical sense depends on your philosophy and worldview. To Camus, it makes philosophical sense to detach oneself from the absurdity of the universe, rather than allow oneself to be dragged down by it, by means of a humanistic morality with human values at its heart. Camus, at first an existentialist philosopher and writer, later rejected Sartre’s existentialist philosophy in favor of positive human values.
 
What makes or does not make philosophical sense depends on your philosophy and worldview. To Camus, it makes philosophical sense to detach oneself from the absurdity of the universe, rather than allow oneself to be dragged down by it, by means of a humanistic morality with human values at its heart. Camus, at first an existentialist philosopher and writer, later rejected Sartre’s existentialist philosophy in favor of positive human values.
That’s interesting–him changing to a less stark philosophy. It may be he is on his way towards faith in God. If he comes to embrace natural law, he’ll be halfway there. 🙂
 
That’s what strikes me as odd about atheism (and again, I’m Catholic and may be misunderstanding atheism here)…it seems that any attempt to create meaning is pointless, but it also highlights another important point: Humans have a need for meaning and purpose (it’s in our very being as humans).

I’d like to say that this yearning for meaning can be taken as a sign that God exists, but I fully realize that that statement may not be philosophically sound.
Yearning for meaning is a sign that God exists for those with eyes to see it. If a person is determined to not see meaning in life, he’s not going to be able to accept the existence of God, so even if it’s not philosophically sound (and I’m not a trained philosopher so couldn’t say), it’s definitely one of the ways God draws men to himself.
 
That’s interesting–him changing to a less stark philosophy. It** may be he is on his way towards faith in God. If he comes to embrace natural law, he’ll be halfway there. **🙂
He died in a car crash in the 60’s if I’m not mistaken.
 
Lotus

**Secondly, how do we as Christians deal with the fact that, unless I’m mistaken (and I probably am), we are unable to prove that God exists? **

We may not be able to prove it to each other. We can prove it to ourselves by opening our minds and our hearts to the love of God. Lacking this openness, a purely cerebral approach to God will fail, especially for the atheist, who is predisposed in his heart to flee God rather than to approach Him.
 
The third option does seem a bit nonsensical to me. I have been an atheist for about a decade and eventually this whole idea of “creating meaning” started to… lose meaning… for me. It is not even a leap of faith. A leap of faith would be to put your hope in something that might be true; “creating meaning” out of a nihilistic universe is to acknowledge that there is no meaning and then act as if there is anyway. It’s a lie and a deliberate self-deception. For me, the knowledge that my “created meaning” was necessarily arbitrary undermined its capacity to be meaningful.
 
What makes or does not make philosophical sense depends on your philosophy and worldview. To Camus, it makes philosophical sense to detach oneself from the absurdity of the universe, rather than allow oneself to be dragged down by it, by means of a humanistic morality with human values at its heart. Camus, at first an existentialist philosopher and writer, later rejected Sartre’s existentialist philosophy in favor of positive human values.
This. Camus couldn’t handle how absolutely bleak Sartre’s world was.

Sartre’s perspective I thought was actually beautifully illustrated in the highly underrated movie GalaxyQuest. The movie is about a group of actors from a sci-fi tv series(like Star Trek) who end up in space with a group of aliens who think that the actors are actually the crew that they portrayed on tv, and that the television shows were actually “historical documents”. The aliens have based their entire society around this stupid tv series from the 90s, including their ships and how they operate. Anyway, Sigourney Weaver (who is hilarious in the movie) plays the token attractive female on the show. Her ONLY job on the ship is to interface with the ship’s computer by asking it questions. So whenever someone asks a question, she simply repeats it, saying “Computer, how much fuel do we have left?”
Then, when the computer answers, she turns to the crew and repeats exactly what the computer just said.

Well, when they are taken into space by the aliens to help save their planet, the ship is designed to only respond to her voice, so the actress must take on her role from the television series. So she is continuously repeating the questions from the crew to the computer, and then repeating the answers back to the crew. It is, in a word, ABSURD. One of the crew members (Camus in this analogy) realizes this and says, “You know, this is really getting annoying”, to which Weaver (Sartre, here) hilariously replies, “Look, I have ONE job on this lousy ship. It’s STUPID, but I’m gonna do it, okay?”

Weaver realizes the absurdity of her existence, but she continues on the same path anyway. It’s totally pointless, but if she doesn’t do her job, what WILL she do? Sartre just keeps going, knowing that nothing really matters. Camus can’t stand this. He would go crazy, and rightfully so. Camus found Sartre’s philosophy to be intolerable because it just accepts that life is totally pointless.

Camus’ theory doesn’t really require a leap of faith because it doesn’t rely on any outside agent. It relies solely on the individual, which is how it differs from religion. Camus relies on himself alone to attempt to establish meaning for his existence, whereas with religion, we rely on an unprovable God who may or may not exist to somehow imbue us with meaning.

For Camus, both Sartre and Religious individuals are taking the lazy way out. Sartre because he realizes life has no meaning and so denies the need for any real sort of morality or attempt at making sense of it all, and the religious because they just assume their life has meaning because they are created by God and that automatically gives life meaning. Both philosophies require no effort to give meaning to life, because it either has meaning or it doesn’t, period.

Camus doesn’t believe in God, but he can’t cope with a meaningless world, so he decides that the meaning of life is to try to give meaning to a meaningless life. It’s not really a leap of faith, because life is meaningless and he knows this, but the REVOLT is not.

The REVOLT is the meaning. Men are slaves to the meaninglessness of life. We can never escape that meaninglessness no matter how hard we try. BUT, we CAN resist it. We have 3 choices: live as a slave (Sartre), kill ourselves, or die in revolt. Camus saw dying in revolt as the only moral option, as well as the only one that makes life tolerable.

To understand Camus’ position ask yourself this question: would I rather be in prison for my entire life, from birth to death and accept it, or would I rather spend all of my time planning and trying to escape even though I know logically that the prison is inescapable?

For Sartre, the answer is just accept it and move on, but for many real-life prisoners, the only thing that makes prison tolerable is patiently and meticulously planning their escape, even if that escape is pretty much impossible.
 
Lotus

**Secondly, how do we as Christians deal with the fact that, unless I’m mistaken (and I probably am), we are unable to prove that God exists? **

We may not be able to prove it to each other. We can prove it to ourselves by opening our minds and our hearts to the love of God. Lacking this openness, a purely cerebral approach to God will fail, especially for the atheist, who is predisposed in his heart to flee God rather than to approach Him.
Yes. We can’t PROVE that God exists, but we can KNOW it. We can’t PROVE that ancient Egyptians really existed the way we think they did and that it’s not just some elaborate hoax perpetrated by aliens, but we KNOW with confidence that they did. It’s the only logical conclusion we can make with the evidence that we have.
 
Since God does exist and it is in Him that we find meaning, all such questions boil down to “What is life without Him?”
The answer being, absurd.
How do we live with the absurdity? by creating a meaning.
The meaning is there, and the sense of absurdity arises in not having realized it.

I’m not sure if I am expressing this correctly, but God does exist and His existence is felt precisely when:
  • we feel unloved, detached, lonely, bad about ourselves
  • our lives seem meaningless, pointless, going nowhere
  • things are ugly, horrific, and make no sense
These sentiments exist because the Source of all being, all light and beauty, all Truth exists, and we can recognize Him when we feel His absence in our lives and the lives of others.
 
Perhaps someone can enlighten me, but I’ve never understood how God solves the arbitrary nature of meaning in one’s life. Yes, you can say that the meaning of your life is to do whatever God wants you to do, but that’s just as arbitrary as any other meaning you might assign yourself. Yes, it gives you some perks, but I don’t think those are any more real than, say, the happiness of your family or any other tangible basis for meaning.

You might say that God’s meaning is more valid than other meaning because it is the purpose for which we were created, but isn’t it just an arbitrary preference to assign your life the meaning for which it was created? In the film “The Matrix”, the humans were created for the purpose of providing energy for their robot overlords. Does this mean that their only legitimate meaning is to provide energy for robots?
 
You might say that God’s meaning is more valid than other meaning because it is the purpose for which we were created, but isn’t it just an arbitrary preference to assign your life the meaning for which it was created? In the film “The Matrix”, the humans were created for the purpose of providing energy for their robot overlords. Does this mean that their only legitimate meaning is to provide energy for robots?
I agree, from the atheist perspective, any assignation of meaning (including religion) would appear arbitrary. Meaning in the sense of “what am I meant to do” is “an arbitrary preference” if you are the one who assigns it. If it is part of my nature, ie. imposed from the outside, then it’s not my preference, it is the preference of God, who is Truth. It is not something that a subjective mind came up with. It is something that is part of objective reality.

Now, I acknowledge that, as a nonbeliever, you can still argue that you do not see God as Truth, so for you being a Christian would be a subjective, arbitrary preference to assign meaning to your life. And I would agree: that is what it is if you do not apprehend that God is Truth.

So yes, if we are in a computer simulation and were created to provide energy (I haven’t seen The Matrix) then our only legitimate meaning is to provide energy.
 
So yes, if we are in a computer simulation and were created to provide energy (I haven’t seen The Matrix) then our only legitimate meaning is to provide energy.
Bingo.

Of course I disagree here. I think that being conscious affords us the responsibility and right to assign meaning for our lives. It is the operator of something, not the designer of that thing, which ultimately decides the purpose for which that thing should be used. For example, a cardboard box might have been designed only for packaging other objects, but I, the one controlling the box, could use it to build a cardboard fortress for my kids. Similarly, however my body and mind came to be, the most relevant factor for its purpose is that I control it.
 
Of course I disagree here. I think that being conscious affords us the responsibility and right to assign meaning for our lives. It is the operator of something, not the designer of that thing, which ultimately decides the purpose for which that thing should be used. For example, a cardboard box might have been designed only for packaging other objects, but I, the one controlling the box, could use it to build a cardboard fortress for my kids. Similarly, however my body and mind came to be, the most relevant factor for its purpose is that I control it.
I mostly agree with you. I think from any perspective it has to be acknowledged that humans have uncanny intellect and at the very least will end up adopting some sort of “mythology” to help their consciousness battle with the extreme of “nothingness.” This is why no one lives as though they have no meaning.

This is part of the issue with New Atheism, which rejects religion on principle. The human mind, from an anthropological perspective, evolved with mythological, symbolic thought patterns. It is rather presumptive to claim that it can necessarily function as well without such thought patterns; it’s a principle of evolutionary biology that when the environment changes, new evolutionary pressures emerge. The fact is that humans evolved in a social and cultural environment. Likewise with rhetoric about gender being a social construct; well, sure it is, but it’s a social construct that has been part of man’s environment for as long as man has been around.

I agree as well that it is up to the “operator.” We have free will and while belief is not so easily forced, one can actively reject belief systems that they don’t like. I did that for many years. I do believe (as you do not) that the only true meaning is belief in Christ, so other arbitrary assigned meanings are less than ideal.
 
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