Abuse scandal questions

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Rau said:
Yes, but my point is that it is a step removed from the victim who reports (abuse) and hence less readily identified and prosecuted.
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Follow the money. Look for payment approved by bishops.

That are at least 30 states who have taken or are in the process of taking at least one church church
dioceses records so they can investigate those dioceses.

We as catholic can stick our head in the sand, but the facts is, across the USA a time of reckoning has come for these church leaders.
 
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If they act like it’s a problem specific to the Catholic Church, then point to statistics showing how similar rates of abuse in other religious clergies as well as in secular professions. Because the truth is that any role that gives an adult power over a child has the potential to result in sexual abuse if not monitored by society.

If someone argues that it’s the result of clerical celibacy then point out how insulting it is to men, as it suggests that all men are so sex-crazed that they’ll abuse children if they lack access to sex with adults. Also point out how psychologists think sex abuse has more to do with a power or sadism rather than sexual gratification, or how sex offenders can be found in roles which don’t require celibacy either.

If someone uses the abusive priests to argue that the Catholic Church, or Christianity as a whole, are wrong, then point out the logic gap in that - a clergyman doing something evil doesn’t disprove Christ’s resurrection or Saint Peter receiving the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

On one last note, it might sometimes be best to just end the debate if it becomes clear the other person is arguing in bad faith.
 
I had two aunts who sent their Gay sons to the seminary to protect them from society. I think this happens more than we think. Just one example of how homosexuality entered the Church. Neither made it to ordation. The coverup was and still is a major problem for the clergy
 
Imagine two young men doing something because their mother told them too!
 
It does happen, now daughter listening to their mothers is another story.
 
I have 30 plus years of researching that I reference. And yes, catholic for the past 40 years have been sticking their heads in the sand. That is now coming to and end as legal authorities or going to be pulling them out of the sand. I am telling you now, there will be hundreds of trials in the next 10 years and hundreds of catholic dioceses employees are going to have to under oath explain their actions. I for one think it is 35 years too late.
 
I am certain of the policies that are in place in the USA in general, of my Diocese in particular. The system of “checks and balances” that have been in place in my Diocese, my parish, neighboring parishes, for more than 15 years is very sound. You might feel more at ease if you call your Diocese to get copies of all of the reqs for your Diocese.

Edit to add. This does not mean that someone, somewhere, will find a way through the regulations. The very hint of an accusation, at least in the US, now means a person is considered guilty until proven innocent, and the stain of the accusation follows them even if proven innocent. They are basically out of any work, will have to change careers.
 
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phil3 said:
I have 30 plus years of researching that I reference.
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What, where are those references? Are acknowledging all that has/is being done? If yes, then you are part of the solution. If not, you are just grousing.
 
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phil3 said:
And yes, catholic for the past 40 years have been sticking their heads in the sand.
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this brushing of Catholics is way too broad

MeanWhile, yes… there’s been Sexual, Liturgical and Theological Abuses…

And from my own decades of experiences, they have not been eradicated.

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If youre trying to compare Liturgical and theological abuse as the same as sexual abuse. That is just wrong.
 
phil3 said:
If youre trying to compare Liturgical and theological abuse as the same as sexual abuse. That is just wrong.
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I disagree… And I’m not comparing . They’re all in DisObedience to God.

It’s the theological abuses which led to a Legion of others - including Sexual and Apostasy
which caused Millions of Catholics to either Leave or slip off the straight and narrow.
 
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EndTimes said:
Easy to say. Thing is… one must provide solid info… Not just perhaps antiChristian say-so
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vtdigger.org

Church report accuses 40 Vermont priests of child sex abuse - VTDigger

A lay committee of the statewide Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington has released an online summary of once-secret findings from personnel files hidden for nearly three-quarters of a century.
vtdigger.org vtdigger.org

Here is some antichristian information.

I have been saying for decades church leaders needs to open up their records and get all of this out in the open. It has been allowed to fester for 40 years. Had the leaders done the right thing 40 years ago it would have been a lot easier on the church than it will be in the next 10 years.

Just go do a search on raid on Dioceses. You think anticatholic thinking has been bad, just wait until all these raids turn into trials.
 
"You think anticatholic thinking has been bad… "

Anti-Christianity is the worst Anti-

Being opposed to the Messiah of God.

Introducing - including valid - examples of sex-abuse - is a change of topic.
 
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