Abuse scandal.

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What an elucidated opinion. Wow.

Look, I’m not being confrontational. I just wonder if the writer has a point or not. If you read the comments below the article, reception is clearly mixed. I personally stand about 50-50 on the ideas expressed.
 
hansard said:
What an elucidated opinion. Wow.

Look, I’m not being confrontational. I just wonder if the writer has a point or not. If you read the comments below the article, reception is clearly mixed. I personally stand about 50-50 on the ideas expressed.
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That is about all you’re gonna get from me. I’m sick of all of it. The Lord can handle this as He has handled every other thing. I, with this post, am done with it!
 
Dismissing this to the Lord’s care is not the answer. The Lord did not care for the abused children any more than he cared for those who did it.
The Lord is not managing the issue now.
It is in the hands of the Church which, as we all know, has complete authority over earthly matters (Matt 16:19). With authority comes responsibility–in some cases, the responsibility is gut-wrenching and harsh. There was never a greater cause for strong leadership in the church.

Gee, Edward, buddy, I’m sorry that you’re “done with it” and “sick of all of it”. What a comfortable position to be in. I envy you.
 
hansard said:
Dismissing this to the Lord’s care is not the answer. The Lord did not care for the abused children any more than he cared for those who did it.
The Lord is not managing the issue now.
It is in the hands of the Church which, as we all know, has complete authority over earthly matters (Matt 16:19). With authority comes responsibility–in some cases, the responsibility is gut-wrenching and harsh. There was never a greater cause for strong leadership in the church.

Gee, Edward, buddy, I’m sorry that you’re “done with it” and “sick of all of it”. What a comfortable position to be in. I envy you.
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Saying that “The Lord did not care for the abused children any more than he cared for those who did it” - is not true.

Jesus loves all and wants their salvation. He suffered with the children who were suffering from abuse.

Yes, we live in a world where our free wills operate.

The Lord’s healing graces can be received by all - if they are willing to receive them.

God can draw good out of evil, and I believe that leadership is being purified and instructed through this mess.

The Lord is with the Church, and needs our cooperation with his grace.
 
"I believe that leadership is being purified and instructed through this mess" posted Dorothy.
And your evidence is…?
Otherwise, you’re just left with a bunch of well-meaning platitudes and the usual mumbo-jumbo of the Church.

Christianity has its strengh in faith, but its value in deeds. More than ever, deeds are needed.
 
hansard said:
"I believe that leadership is being purified and instructed through this mess" posted Dorothy.
And your evidence is…?
Otherwise, you’re just left with a bunch of well-meaning platitudes and the usual mumbo-jumbo of the Church.

Christianity has its strengh in faith, but its value in deeds. More than ever, deeds are needed.
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Over the years that the abuse has been in the news I have tried to keep up with articles on what is being done. I am not an expert, by any means, but it would be hard to believe that in all the areas where bishops and priests have been accused of negligence, that they would continue to ignore what needs to be corrected…

One of the problems is the orthodoxy of seminaries, and of those who screen the would-be seminarians.

When I taught CCD for a year recently, all the teachers had to attend a class about how to teach their CCD group about “Good touch - Bad touch”. Teachers had to be finger printed.

In the fifties and sixties many erroneously believed that if an abuser said “I’m sorry” and seemed repentant, that it was sufficient. Now we know better that this is a crime and needs to be handled as such.

I also believe that the secular media is having a field day and is exaggerating and enlarging on the scandal in any way they can.
 
Edwardjohn said:
Fresh cow plop with flys.
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I think I second that.

OP, you asked what people think. Don’t get all defensive if they don’t care much for the article and say so. 😉

There was a single sentance (ok, only part of a sentance) that was worth the pixels.

“This is the deepest scandal that the church has faced since the Reformation,”

While I don’t agree this is the deepest scandal since the Reformation (aka Protestant Revolt), I think it is good to remember that the Church has faced much worse in its 2000 year history. The Reformation was much worse. The period of the Antipopes was much worse. The exile to Avignon was much worse. I think in terms of the damage to the Church, the first 10 years after Vatican II were much worse. (I am not a VII hater but the initial period of confusion cost many, many souls their faith and thier Church).

She has faced much worse and usually comes out the other end of such trouble a stronger, holier institution.

(at least the author had the integrity to self-identify as an ex-priest, I guess that’s something)
 
hansard said:
Dismissing this to the Lord’s care is not the answer. **The Lord did not care for the abused children any more than he cared for those who did it. **
The Lord is not managing the issue now. That’s a pretty strange statement. How do you know the Lord ‘didn’t care?’ A statement like that is pretty contradictory of Catholic teaching that indeed the Lord does care. . .
It is in the hands of the Church which, as we all know, has complete authority over earthly matters (Matt 16:19). With authority comes responsibility–in some cases, the responsibility is gut-wrenching and harsh. There was never a greater cause for strong leadership in the church.

Gee, Edward, buddy, I’m sorry that you’re “done with it” and “sick of all of it”. What a comfortable position to be in. I envy you.
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