Abusing muhammad?

[planten]

A most appropriate question would be “Has anyone in the history of humanity been abused as much as Muhammad (s)?”

• He was abused by his people when he asked them to worship the One God instead of the idols.
• He was abused by many of his companions
• He was abused by some his wives who plotted against him then killed him by poison
• He was abused by his followers who killed his only daughter, his nephew, poisoned his 1st grandson and killed the 2nd, they killed his great grand children including a 6 month old boy
• He was abused by the hadith forgers who slandered him
• He was abused by the khalifs and sultans who claimed to be his representatives while spreading corruption and opression
• He is abused today by those that claim to be his followers but really follow in the footsteps of the khalifs
• He is abused by the non-muslims who paint him an evil man based on the lies of the hadith forgers.

But Muhammad (s) knew all of this would happen and so he said “Hussain is from me and I am from Hussain”. The religion had died and if it wasn’t for Hussain’s (as) sacrifice it would have been lost forever. The true uncorrupted Islam can only be realized by learning it from Muhammad’s (s) family, through the descendants of Hussein (as)

To all Catholics, please note that here is a Protestant. So do not believe him

 

[Agabriel]

Algabriel, that is very good. We are also not allowed to bow down before any man or sun or moon. We are spiritual descendents of Abraham and Abraham never bowed down in front of any idols, or star or moon or Sun…

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That is true. We believe it and we follow the same commands.

**Here you are wrong. You have not studied the Quran. Muhammad did not get any God from some one. He used to pray to the one God only, in privacy, for a very long time, in a cave until one day, Allah spoke to him care of an angel, the arch Angel Gabriel. The angel gave Muhammad a message. After that all his life was spent in fighting the pagans.

Do you believe that Muhammad will take a God from the pagans and then start a serious fight against the pagans for the rest of his life.

If you are interested then I will tell you who are venerating (respecting) the Sun God and The Mon (Moon) God today.**

You don’t even know your own history of Muhammad or Allah. Reading your posts it doesn’t surprise me either. Allah was the main god of Muhammed’s pagan religion. It was the Moon God, and it had a statue of that god on top of the Kabaa. That Kabaa and black stone were also of that religion of Muhammad’s.

Allah was the Moon god who married the Sun god and the stars were his daughters. (you know - those three goddesses that Muhammad mentions in your Quran - al-lat, al-uzza, and manat.)

Since there is no abrogation in the Quran according to you and sister amy, then this still must be true!

Did the Quran at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as ‘the daughters of God [Allah]’

All Muhammad did was to get rid of the other gods and goddesses for Islam.

He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5,…

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Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the “daughters of Allah” have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.
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When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.
The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad’s day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. “the deity,” meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, “The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God.” The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad’s father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad’s day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, “Similarly, under Mohammed’s tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being.”

We also get this proof that Muhammad’s religion was that pagan religion because his father was named ‘Abdallah’ which means servant of allah.

And the symbol of islam is still that crescent moon and star - the same symbol of that pagan religion of Muhammad’s.

The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim’s claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel. moongod.htm

And yes, Muhammad started a fight not only with the pagans, but with the Jews and the Christians. He fought with them from about the age of 40 to the day he died. He killed them, tortured them, enslaved them, stole from them and lied to them.

 

[planten]

** Sorry, we do not have any sungod or moon god. But you seem to have Sunday and Moonday. What do you say? From where did you get them? From greeks care of Saul?**

 

[Agabriel]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

What are you talking about ??? This is the first time I heard that Prophet’s (pbuh) wives killed him. LOL where did u get this info from ? huh.

And you get angry when someone else knows your texts!

From Bukhari’s Hadith 3.786:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah’s Apostle.

This one is the most telling of what sort of a man Muhammad was:

From Ibn Sa’d pages 251, 252: [different narrator]

        ....When the apostle of Allah conquered Khaibar and he had peace of mind, Zaynab Bint al-Harith the brother of Marhab, who was the spouse of Sallam Ibn Mishkam, inquired, "Which part of the goat is liked by Muhammad?"  They said, "The foreleg."  Then she slaughtered one from her goats and roasted it (the meat).  Then she wanted a poison which could not fail. ....  The apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth.  Bishr took another bone and put it into his mouth.  When the apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it.  Then the apostle of Allah said, "Hold back your hands! because this foreleg; ...informed me that it is poisoned.  Thereupon Bishr said, "By Him who has made you great!  I discovered it from the morsel I took.  Nothing prevented me from emitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing.  When you had eaten what was in your mouth I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong.

        Bishr did not rise form his seat but his color changed to that of "taylsan" (a green cloth)..........The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?"  She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done.  You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you.""......

        The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away.  During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein."

Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.”

 

[planten]

And you get angry when someone else knows your texts!

This one is the most telling of what sort of a man Muhammad was:

**You are presenting from our bible (hadith) as if was a good thing done by some Jewess who tried to kill a person by the poison. I feel that you should think over what you are rejoicing about.

You should abuse that woman who tried to go against the express commanment “Thou shall not kill…”**

 

[Lothair]

As being mentioned, Mohammad did have sex with a nine year old, beat his wife Aishah, killed a poet and others, taught it is right to lie. How do you describe such a person in today’s language? Do you have code words that mean child molester, wife beater, killer and liar without having to say them, if they are too offensive for you?

What is the problem here? If that is documented especially in the Bible, why not? Christians are not afraid of these things because the truth about God cannot be suppressed and denied. We have a saying, “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32. We are not afraid of the truth and if it is not it do not bother us either. I think that’s a true mark of the faith.

As far as I am concerned I have been very frank on this. I do not believe in Mohammad nor do I think he was a godly person. I do not purposely show disrespect to him, I am always quite careful in choosing my words, but I thought everything should be opened to discussion unless it contravenes the forum’s rule.

However there are some factual truth which is from the Quran and the hadith and being believed by many Muslims themselves. I thought these are fair topics and should be discussed. I think it is only disrespect if stories about Mohammad are being concocted without true facts and sources.

You mentioned about Jesus earlier on but where did they get that information? That would be scandalizing if they simply make up stories that cannot be traced to any reliable sources.

You are way too sensitive.

I give you a hint – by saying that we associate partners with God, that we worship Mary, that Jesus did not die on the cross, that Jesus is not divine and that the Bible was corrupted, are transgressing the very depth of our sensitivity like a doubled edge sword that strike deep into our very beings that you can ever imagine.

Mohammad was only human to you yet you are very sensitive about what being said about him. Can you imagine when you say the above about Jesus who we consider God? You ‘abuse’ our God. What is it compared to us abusing your prophet? And yet we suffer in silence and take all the blasphemy that Muslim posters spew out here.

I am all for civilized dialogue but this is a game two can play. Stop your garbage about Jesus and Christianity, and perhaps we refrain from speaking the truth about Mohammad.

The lone prophet of Islam did more than kill one poet, he had a whole Dead Poet’s Society.

 

[Agabriel]

**You are presenting from our bible (hadith) as if was a good thing done by some Jewess who tried to kill a person by the poison. I feel that you should think over what you are rejoicing about.

You should abuse that woman who tried to go against the express commanment “Thou shall not kill…”**

No I am not. I am showing sister amy her own texts because she didn’t even know how Muhammad died.

Look at it this way - what if you were taken by maurading murderers/bandits and all your women were taken out and beheaded if they ‘had hair’, and the rest were enslaved - raped and passed around as booty. And you were handed over to the leader of this band of thugs to be used as he wished to use you and that night after your women were just killed or enslaved - he raped you and then took you as his concubine. And you know that your family is either dead by a gruesome death and the rest are being enslaved - beaten and raped and probably unfed, the little boys will be raped and overworked and underfed.

What would you want to do to the person who caused this if you got the chance?

this is why I won’t judge her for her actions. and anyway, I don’t judge Muhammad either because that is for God to judge.

I do find it appauling that you cannot show empathy for a person in that situation, and find your own prophet less than desirable as one who should be continually defended.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

And you get angry when someone else knows your texts!

the Jewish lady who mixed poison in food was NOT his wife . Before death , Prophet (pbuh) felt pain because of that poison , suffered & thus enjoyed the status of a Martyr
( Shaheed ) - who gives life for the sake of God/ in the path of God.

 

[Lothair]

** Reuben, I see here that axe has fallen on paarsurrey due to compulsion of the church. In my opinion you may teach and preach peacefully as much as you like. No harm at all. If any one converts to christian faith then all the best for you. No harm to us again. Peaceful means peaceful and no abuse and no bribery or coertion.

You may teach and preach the good points of your religion. But do not attack the beliefs of the other faiths. That is a peaceful way of preaching. That is what i believe. But I do not give any guarantee that you will be allowed into any Muslim country to do those good things. It is your previous faults or fault of the Muslim countries who do not allow any evangelising in their countries. Nothing to do with me. I did not tell them to disallow the christians preachings.

They forbid you for some reasons but not due to any Islamic provision. There is a bar on the preaching of enmity though, the enmity of Islam is not to be preached in Muslim countries. Like wise the enmity to church teachings may also not be allowed to be preached by the Muslims. i.e. bad abusive words etc.**

What a load of garbage. In ***Muhammad’s ***opinion, teaching anything other than Islam is no less than ‘enmity’ and equal to fighting against the believers. The punishment is always death. Any turning back from Islam is an act of treachery.

Those who leave Islam are to be killed, but not with fire. They are to be killed with the sword. Apostates men are to be separated from their wives, and they have no claim to any inheritance source]

Muslim apologists are such hypocrites. All they ***do ***is attack other faiths, and call for the murder of any intellectual, political or religious obstacle.

Non-Muslims just need to read the sources.

 

[Lothair]

**You are presenting from our bible (hadith) as if was a good thing done by some Jewess who tried to kill a person by the poison. I feel that you should think over what you are rejoicing about.

You should abuse that woman who tried to go against the express commanment “Thou shall not kill…”**

What comedy! You are comparing the Bible to the Hadith? You should campare the Quran to the Gnostic ‘gospels’. That is a far better comparison. After all, heretical writings were a major source of Muhammad’s ‘revelations’.

Muhammad was so happy to murder and rape that it is very hard not to sympathise with the Jewess who poisoned him. You Muslims talk like it is some kind of blessing to be raped and abused by your ‘rasool Allah’.

 

[jakasaki]

What a load of garbage. In ***Muhammad’s ***opinion, teaching anything other than Islam is no less than ‘enmity’ and equal to fighting against the believers. The punishment is always death. Any turning back from Islam is an act of treachery.

Those who leave Islam are to be killed, but not with fire. They are to be killed with the sword. Apostates men are to be separated from their wives, and they have no claim to any inheritance source]

Muslim apologists are such hypocrites. All they ***do ***is attack other faiths, and call for the murder of any intellectual, political or religious obstacle.

Non-Muslims just need to read the sources.

**If a boy under age apostatize, he is not to be put to death, but to be imprisoned until he come to full age, when, if he continue in the state of unbelief, he must be put to death. **

Comment to the above… and

Neither lunatics nor drunkards are held to be responsible for their apostasy from Islam (Hidayah, vol. ii, 246).

Comment to the above… Drink up boys and just go lunny…

If a person upon compulsion become an apostate, his wife is not divorced, nor are his lands forfeited. If a person become a musalman upon compulsion, and afterwards apostatize, he is not to be put to death. (Hidayah, vol. iii, 467).

Comment to the all of the above… Thank you God for not placing my life and my spirit and my soul in an islamc world with muslim parents.
Thank you Dear Lord… Amen!

 

[inJESUS]

Famdigy was possibly alluding to Aisha and Hafsa, and not to the Jewish woman.

Muslim Woman, you are saying Muhammad died of poisoning, and hence was a martyr, but the reason of poising him was to see if he is a true prophet or not, and acording to what you said, the test proved he was no prophet since he was affected of the poison till he died and one of his companions died as well from eating.

 

[Agabriel]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

the Jewish lady who mixed poison in food was NOT his wife . Before death , Prophet (pbuh) felt pain because of that poison , suffered & thus enjoyed the status of a Martyr
( Shaheed ) - who gives life for the sake of God/ in the path of God.

She was his slave who he raped after killing her male relatives and enslaving the others who were not yet grown, and the other women relatives.

Do you guys read? Maybe that is why you fall for this stuff. You only take the word of someone who is not telling you the full truth about Muhammad. All you have to do is what we are doing and that is to read your own texts.

 

[chrisse]

To all Catholics, please note that here is a Protestant. So do not believe him

Translation : famdigy is a Shia

 

[Jay53]

Translation : famdigy is a Shia

Thank you! I wasn’t quite sure what he meant. I’m sitting here thinking “I’m sure famdigy at one point said he was a Muslim”

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… the reason of poising him was to see if he is a true prophet or not,

If that’s the criteria , then Prophet (pbuh) passed the test , the Jewish lady could not kill him . Poison did not cause any harm to him at that time. Moreover , there is no verse in holy Quran that says poison can not harm a believer . It’s your holy book that says so , yet no Christian will drink poison in the name of Jesus (pbuh) . Looks like , they don’t have enough faith on their Saviour .

 

[chrisse]

If that’s the criteria , then Prophet (pbuh) passed the test , the Jewish lady could not kill him . Poison did not cause any harm to him at that time. Moreover , there is no verse in holy Quran that says poison can not harm a believer . It’s your holy book that says so , yet no Christian will drink poison in the name of Jesus (pbuh) . Looks like , they don’t have enough faith on their Saviour .

Are you really this ignorant of the history of Christianity? Have you really come onto this forum not even knowing the basics? And, you’re probably not even embarrassed, your ignorance is so complete.

 

[neploho]

Are you really this ignorant of the history of Christianity? Have you really come onto this forum not even knowing the basics? And, you’re probably not even embarrassed, your ignorance is so complete.

Mark 16:18

 

[planten]

I am sure the catholics hate the Protestants. Am I wrong?

 

[planten]

Are you really this ignorant of the history of Christianity? Have you really come onto this forum not even knowing the basics? And, you’re probably not even embarrassed, your ignorance is so complete.

**Muslim Woman is right. Jesus said “If you have faith, you will move mountains…” We know that the christians cannot move a Goblet with their faith alone. The post of M W is quite valid and true.

You chrisse, had no real reply. That is why you tried to brush off.
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