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I’ve posted before about my toxic parents. The basic response was to move on. But I’ve started facing my past and have realized my parents weren’t just toxic; they were abusive. I would get hit often and it would leave a mark. One time that I remember my dad hit me on my face and it left a mark so my mom told me to not tell anyone what happened. Besides from the smacking me around there was definitely emotional abuse present and one of the punishments they would give out was pulling my pants down and hitting me as hard as they could while they sat there laughing. I couldn’t see my bottom but I’m sure it left a mark and as a still little girl it left me feeling violated that the whole family could see my private parts. I’m not saying basic spanking is child abusers but I really think what I went through was. And I would get hit and screamed at for not eating my veggies when I was full or for trying to explain myself. It has left me scars on my mind and heart. But here’s my question, do I sin in letting people know (now that I’m an adult) that I was abused as a child? I get the sense that the 4th commandment demands children to act blind to their parents sins. Am I really expected to protect their reputation when it’s built on lies? 🤷
 
I would work out with a competent professional when and how to disclose this information. Sometimes it’s necessary (for instance, I would bring it up with a person you were discerning marrying as part of a discussion about child rearing) but in most situations it’s probably not (e.g. as casual dinner conversation with new acquaintances.)

One problem I think people in our generation (I’m 30) deal with is a tendency to overshare. I think in some ways that’s intended as a course correction against those who tried to hush up too much, but there is a space for privacy and intimacy. Not everybody has to know everything about you, not even everybody you consider a friend. While these experiences definitely affected you, they don’t define who you are. Once you have had an opportunity to heal and grieve, chances are good that continually dredging them up will only delay your growth.

God bless you.
 
Pro,

Sorry you went through that as a child. Remember that none of that was your fault!

My view is that – in order to fully heal – “secrets” and past trauma should be discussed. Not with everyone that you meet, but with those close to you. Not only will it help you heal, it would also give them insight to who you are and a better understanding.

As for turning a blind eye to parent’s sins – sins that they commit against themselves is one thing. But when it goes beyond just sin to themselves but abuse to others then that must be reported.

I pray that God grants you peace, and the full understanding that none of the abuse was your fault.

Winter
 
Honoring your parents does not mean you have to pretend they have no faults and can do no wrong. Nor does it mean you must cover up their sins against you.

How much to tell, to whom you should tell it and under what circumstances can be a complicated issue. But it is just wrong to claim that you should never tell at all. I agree with Pensmama87. You might need professional advice on what to tell and to whom.
 
I would work out with a competent professional when and how to disclose this information. Sometimes it’s necessary (for instance, I would bring it up with a person you were discerning marrying as part of a discussion about child rearing) but in most situations it’s probably not (e.g. as casual dinner conversation with new acquaintances.)

One problem I think people in our generation (I’m 30) deal with is a tendency to overshare. I think in some ways that’s intended as a course correction against those who tried to hush up too much, but there is a space for privacy and intimacy. Not everybody has to know everything about you, not even everybody you consider a friend. While these experiences definitely affected you, they don’t define who you are. Once you have had an opportunity to heal and grieve, chances are good that continually dredging them up will only delay your growth.

God bless you.
Yes!

You can always tell people more–but you can’t take back stuff you already shared. So think 5X before sharing.

99.9% of the time, your parents’ behavior is just not going to be relevant to the people you are talking to.
 
If you have siblings that you are close to and one or more shares your experiences, that might be a good person to talk to (in addition to a professional, ideally).

My sis and I have discussed our parents’ weirdness off and on for many years.

You need to make sure and not share with somebody who is going to be unsympathetic.
 
Yes the above posters are right. If u share with a professional or a very close confident for healing and support, or to protect another, it’s one thing.

To over share with others that can’t help with either is wrong. It’s detraction.
 
I’ve posted before about my toxic parents. The basic response was to move on. But I’ve started facing my past and have realized my parents weren’t just toxic; they were abusive. I would get hit often and it would leave a mark. One time that I remember my dad hit me on my face and it left a mark so my mom told me to not tell anyone what happened. Besides from the smacking me around there was definitely emotional abuse present and one of the punishments they would give out was pulling my pants down and hitting me as hard as they could while they sat there laughing. I couldn’t see my bottom but I’m sure it left a mark and as a still little girl it left me feeling violated that the whole family could see my private parts. I’m not saying basic spanking is child abusers but I really think what I went through was. And I would get hit and screamed at for not eating my veggies when I was full or for trying to explain myself. It has left me scars on my mind and heart. But here’s my question, do I sin in letting people know (now that I’m an adult) that I was abused as a child? I get the sense that the 4th commandment demands children to act blind to their parents sins. Am I really expected to protect their reputation when it’s built on lies? 🤷
I am so sorry you experienced that abuse. It is not your fault. I pray that you are able to find healing from your past. rainn.org/articles/adult-survivors-child-sexual-abuse

You are not commanded to lie, to say the abuse never happened. You are certainly allowed to speak about the abuse for the purposes of healing, walking with other abuse survivors, abuse education and taking legal action. Besides that, I would ask a priest about when discussing the abuse might become the sin of detraction.

God Bless you!
 
I’ve posted before about my toxic parents. The basic response was to move on. But I’ve started facing my past and have realized my parents weren’t just toxic; they were abusive. I would get hit often and it would leave a mark. One time that I remember my dad hit me on my face and it left a mark so my mom told me to not tell anyone what happened. Besides from the smacking me around there was definitely emotional abuse present and one of the punishments they would give out was pulling my pants down and hitting me as hard as they could while they sat there laughing. I couldn’t see my bottom but I’m sure it left a mark and as a still little girl it left me feeling violated that the whole family could see my private parts. I’m not saying basic spanking is child abusers but I really think what I went through was. And I would get hit and screamed at for not eating my veggies when I was full or for trying to explain myself. It has left me scars on my mind and heart. But here’s my question, do I sin in letting people know (now that I’m an adult) that I was abused as a child? I get the sense that the 4th commandment demands children to act blind to their parents sins. Am I really expected to protect their reputation when it’s built on lies? 🤷
What does your confessor and/or therapist say?
 
I’m so very sorry for your experiences. You are not to blame for any of the occurrences. How to handle further discussions/disclosures is a topic for discussion with your therapist.
 
A good rule of thumb to avoid detraction is discerning if sharing negative info about another serves a valid purpose.

I am also sorry about what happened to you.
 
Try to forgive them and liberate yourself from that weight and go on with your life. People are not perfect, but, they brought you to life, provided you with your needs to you can have the body you now have which is not so defenseless now as it was when you were an infant and child. Are you going to be a perfect daughter? If they get old and gray and need their bottom cleaned, do you plan to do it? If they make a mess on their way to the bathroom, will you lovingly clean it up and help them back to bed or the sofa? If they need your help when they age, will you make sure their medication or food do not run out? Are you going to make sure their utilities are not disconnected? Will you be taking them to their doctor’s appointments? When they feel scared, will you be there to hold their hand and say: I am here. Don’t worry. We are going to go thru this together. Do you plan to be a perfect child?

It is very awkward when an adult laughs when a child is not happy. The adult finds something endearing and cute and seems oblivious to what the child is feeling. No, that is not nice, but, people do it. Your parents did not invent it. Your parents did not invent spanking either nor insisting the child eats the veggie. I did not use physical punishment when raising my children, but, I had plenty of neighbors who did. Even in the Old Testament, there is recommended to ‘use the rod’ (exact quote not available right now as I am running out to do an errand). The OT is pretty old, I mean we are talking ancient. For all we know, Adam and Even may have physically punished their children.

This was very common in generation past. If I told you the punishment I was given you would fall off your chair, yet, it was good. The reason it was good was that it was not abusive. I left the house without permission (to go and hang out with the nuns at convent - well, actually I did not get punished for that one but yes for going fishing without permission) and I knew I had it coming to me if my grandmother found out. When it is abusive, is when parents abuse their power and authority over the child to vent.

I am very familiar with punishment being used to teach by parents. I have 13 aunts and uncles and a whole bunch of cousins. Many of whom are happy larks, doctors, engineers, political figures, pharmacists etc… The problem is when parents use misuse their power, as I said, to vent or ego etc… but, that your mom and dad raised their voice to make you eat your veggies, I don’t think so. About the spanking, well, I do think is was a violation of your person to pull your undies for all to see your private parts. That should not be done nor to hit the face - a parent should not disrespect the person of the child. But, people are not perfect. They obviously made mistakes. Why don’t you try talking with them? Find a nice peaceful time and tell them there is something really important and serious you need to discuss with them and let them know you think they were much too harsh and the experiences have left scars.

Maybe, they will ask you to forgive them. Now I have known abusive parents. Parents who used their children as punching bags and would get off their frustrations from work on the children. They can make life a living nightmare for a child. I don’t see that as being your case. But, you know even those monster parents can be forgiven. it doesn’t mean the ‘child’ (adult or not) needs to continue to take abuse (verbal, emotional, psychological etc…) but, those parents can be forgiven. One way is the way Jesus did it. In the cross, Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Yes, we can forgive when we realize that if parents who were not the best had been wiser and had not had so many shortcomings they would not have done the incorrect things they did. It’s that easy to forgive and in forgiving you will be liberated from a heavy weight and enjoy a healthier life.

Talk with your parents if you can. Can you think of anything good that they did for you? (I’ll help you get started: you were not aborted, they did not leave you at the entrance of an orphanage etc…) Were there ever happy moments? Did they ever tell you that they love you? In my humble opinion, I would recommend that you do not dwell on it, confront it and handle it and deal with it and get on with your life. Then try to nourish your relationship with your parents. If you are going to route of a therapist, try to get a Catholic therapist.

As far as your parent’s reputation. Well, why would you go around saying what they did? To vent anger? For revenge? Even the score? They obviously hurt you and that can ferment anger; but, you don’t want to make a bad thing worst but resolve it. Is there an elder in the family you can discuss this with? Have you considered speaking with your parish priest?

We need to honor our parents even when they are not perfect, even when the are ignorant, even when they are not classy enough, even when a lot of things… there is no clause in the commandment. It doesn say but if they xyz. Don’t forget, when you dishonor your parents, you dishonor yourself.

My :twocents:

Peace.

Keep in mind, a lot of parents these days are too busy to correct their children. It’s not a priority to some. It takes time and energy and dedication and love to do it.

youtube.com/watch?v=hYKYka-PNt0
 
Try to forgive them and liberate yourself from that weight and go on with your life. People are not perfect, but, they brought you to life, provided you with your needs to you can have the body you now have which is not so defenseless now as it was when you were an infant and child. Are you going to be a perfect daughter? If they get old and gray and need their bottom cleaned, do you plan to do it? If they make a mess on their way to the bathroom, will you lovingly clean it up and help them back to bed or the sofa? If they need your help when they age, will you make sure their medication or food do not run out? Are you going to make sure their utilities are not disconnected? Will you be taking them to their doctor’s appointments? When they feel scared, will you be there to hold their hand and say: I am here. Don’t worry. We are going to go thru this together. Do you plan to be a perfect child?

It is very awkward when an adult laughs when a child is not happy. The adult finds something endearing and cute and seems oblivious to what the child is feeling. No, that is not nice, but, people do it. Your parents did not invent it. Your parents did not invent spanking either nor insisting the child eats the veggie. I did not use physical punishment when raising my children, but, I had plenty of neighbors who did. Even in the Old Testament, there is recommended to ‘use the rod’ (exact quote not available right now as I am running out to do an errand). The OT is pretty old, I mean we are talking ancient. For all we know, Adam and Even may have physically punished their children.

This was very common in generation past. If I told you the punishment I was given you would fall off your chair, yet, it was good. The reason it was good was that it was not abusive. I left the house without permission (to go and hang out with the nuns at convent - well, actually I did not get punished for that one but yes for going fishing without permission) and I knew I had it coming to me if my grandmother found out. When it is abusive, is when parents abuse their power and authority over the child to vent.

I am very familiar with punishment being used to teach by parents. I have 13 aunts and uncles and a whole bunch of cousins. Many of whom are happy larks, doctors, engineers, political figures, pharmacists etc… The problem is when parents use misuse their power, as I said, to vent or ego etc… but, that your mom and dad raised their voice to make you eat your veggies, I don’t think so. About the spanking, well, I do think is was a violation of your person to pull your undies for all to see your private parts. That should not be done nor to hit the face - a parent should not disrespect the person of the child. But, people are not perfect. They obviously made mistakes. Why don’t you try talking with them? Find a nice peaceful time and tell them there is something really important and serious you need to discuss with them and let them know you think they were much too harsh and the experiences have left scars.

Maybe, they will ask you to forgive them. Now I have known abusive parents. Parents who used their children as punching bags and would get off their frustrations from work on the children. They can make life a living nightmare for a child. I don’t see that as being your case. But, you know even those monster parents can be forgiven. it doesn’t mean the ‘child’ (adult or not) needs to continue to take abuse (verbal, emotional, psychological etc…) but, those parents can be forgiven. One way is the way Jesus did it. In the cross, Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Yes, we can forgive when we realize that if parents who were not the best had been wiser and had not had so many shortcomings they would not have done the incorrect things they did. It’s that easy to forgive and in forgiving you will be liberated from a heavy weight and enjoy a healthier life.

Talk with your parents if you can. Can you think of anything good that they did for you? (I’ll help you get started: you were not aborted, they did not leave you at the entrance of an orphanage etc…) Were there ever happy moments? Did they ever tell you that they love you? In my humble opinion, I would recommend that you do not dwell on it, confront it and handle it and deal with it and get on with your life. Then try to nourish your relationship with your parents. If you are going to route of a therapist, try to get a Catholic therapist.

As far as your parent’s reputation. Well, why would you go around saying what they did? To vent anger? For revenge? Even the score? They obviously hurt you and that can ferment anger; but, you don’t want to make a bad thing worst but resolve it. Is there an elder in the family you can discuss this with? Have you considered speaking with your parish priest?

We need to honor our parents even when they are not perfect, even when the are ignorant, even when they are not classy enough, even when a lot of things… there is no clause in the commandment. It doesn say but if they xyz. Don’t forget, when you dishonor your parents, you dishonor yourself.

My :twocents:

Peace.

Keep in mind, a lot of parents these days are too busy to correct their children. It’s not a priority to some. It takes time and energy and dedication and love to do it.

youtube.com/watch?v=hYKYka-PNt0
Very true. Good post
 
I’ve posted before about my toxic parents. The basic response was to move on. But I’ve started facing my past and have realized my parents weren’t just toxic; they were abusive… But here’s my question, do I sin in letting people know (now that I’m an adult) that I was abused as a child? I get the sense that the 4th commandment demands children to act blind to their parents sins. Am I really expected to protect their reputation when it’s built on lies? 🤷
No, you do not sin by saying you were abused as a child. Having said that, it takes some discernment to know when it will help you talk to other in order to grieve the offenses against you, forgive them, and move on.

I was helped by a book written by the priest and psychiatrist, Fr. John Monbourquette. It is called “How to Forgive: A Step-by-Step Guide”

The important concepts I learned from the book included these: Forgiveness is not making excuses for the offender. It does not mean returning the offender to a position of trust they do not deserve. It does require recognizing the nature and extent of the offense and how it affected you. It does require taking action to stop the offense or offenses from being repeated. Forgiveness is letting go of ill will having to do with an offense. It allows the victim of an offense to stop holding the offense over the head of the offender so that the relationship of trust can be built or rebuilt, if there is something positive that could come out of that.

That rebuilding of a new relationship (rather than the impossible pretended return to the pre-offense relationship) is called reconciliation. Forgiveness only requires action of the offended party. Reconciliation requires two: both the move to admit harm and make amends by the offender and a willingness to accept the building of a new relationship by the victim of the offense. This is why Our Lord could forgive those who crucified Him all by himself but could only reconcile with those who were willing to admit wrong and seek reconciliation. It is why reconciliation is not always possible, even for those who forgive completely.

That doesn’t mean you can’t have any relationship at all with your parents if they won’t accept your feedback on how they harmed you. It does mean that there is a degree to which that relationship will lack the connections and trust it could have had if they would have admitted wrong to you, asked for forgiveness, and made a good faith effort to make amends and avoid repeating the same offense. Likewise, if the victim of an offense wrongly diagnoses what was an offense against them and what was not, this makes reconciliation difficult or impossible. How can someone build a relationship of trust that requires an admission of guilt when no wrong was done? When it comes to reconciliation, the recognition of reality has to go both ways. That can take a very long time!

Are you expected to protect their reputation? Well, you’re expected to protect everyone’s reputation, as it turns out, excepting when you need to disclose unflattering information about someone in order to accomplish something good or prevent possible harm or perhaps to explain a course of action that someone is not giving you the privacy to make for your own reasons or for some other “objectively valid” reason. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it:

*CCC 2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:
  • of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
  • of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another’s faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279
  • of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.*
So: my advice is
a) to get help to work through the parts of your childhood in which you felt your parents were your attackers instead of your protectors, a process which will ultimately lead you to forgive them (give up ill will and get past the offense) and perhaps reconciliation (rebuilding of a relationship of trust with your parents) but which will not artificially start with a blanket “get over it.” (If you could do that, you’d have done it.) If you don’t build a relationship of trust with your parents, you will need to work through how your boundaries with them are going to reflect the level of trust you do have.
b) do not tell anyone about anyone’s offenses against you unless you see an objectively valid reason to do so. Avoid telling anyone’s faults or sins to any third party who doesn’t have a reason to know them, whether the sins were against you or someone else. You’ll also find that the fewer reasons you think up to say bad things about others, the more serenity you will have.

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Phil. 4:8
 
I think there has been a misunderstanding in my question. I’m not saying I will go tell everyone I meet. But I was referring to those people I am closest to. I only have one friend anyway. I’m actually very lonely at the moment. So to paint me as a chatterbox gossip is quite false. The only one I have spoken to in my husband. But it stings lately because ever since I moved out my parents have been quite angry that they can’t control me anymore. And to add insult to injury I recently received a card from my parents priest bragging about how wonderful my mom is. The problem is he doesn’t see the behind the scenes. She knows how to put on a good show. I know my parents well enough (and sensed in a recent exchange) to know they are telling people I’m no good. And that hurts. I want to defend myself so bad but I’ve just been quiet. And I know that’s what they expect me to do too. So basically everything everyone knows about me come out of the slanderous mouths of my parents. And every good Catholic person I know back “home” thinks I’m going to hell. It feel like I’m being crucified to be brutally honest.
 
Can you explain how this will help the OP?
It’s about forgiving abusive parents, or anybody, in Christ. It seems that most modern psychologists assert that forgiveness is unnecessary, or even bad. So I guess we all have to choose between the words of Jesus Christ and his followers, the saints, (“forgive us our debts…”), or we can believe in Sigmund Freud and his followers, the psychologists.
 
I think there has been a misunderstanding in my question. I’m not saying I will go tell everyone I meet. But I was referring to those people I am closest to. I only have one friend anyway. I’m actually very lonely at the moment. So to paint me as a chatterbox gossip is quite false. The only one I have spoken to in my husband. But it stings lately because ever since I moved out my parents have been quite angry that they can’t control me anymore. And to add insult to injury I recently received a card from my parents priest bragging about how wonderful my mom is. The problem is he doesn’t see the behind the scenes. She knows how to put on a good show. I know my parents well enough (and sensed in a recent exchange) to know they are telling people I’m no good. And that hurts. I want to defend myself so bad but I’ve just been quiet. And I know that’s what they expect me to do too. So basically everything everyone knows about me come out of the slanderous mouths of my parents. And every good Catholic person I know back “home” thinks I’m going to hell. It feel like I’m being crucified to be brutally honest.
Oh my dear, I’m so sorry you have this cross to bear–crosses can be quite heavy, especially when your own family is the source of them, can’t they? :console:

You mentioned that everyone back “home” thinks you are bad because of what your parents are saying about you. How sad for them if they believe such things without giving you the chance to vindicate your reputation. Such detraction is one of the nastiest of sins because it destroys others reputations–something hard to regain once lost. But that is their problem, not yours. If others are fooled by your parent’s lies, rest assured that the truth will come out–in God’s good time.

You no longer live with your parents nor in your “home” parish anymore, so actually, what they think of you doesn’t matter in the least. You have a new home with your husband in a new place. You will be the good person you are where you are and others will see that who now matter in your life. So, let the past go and make your own future and your own life. You are not obligated to answer to your parents or accept their abuse anymore. Since they are so toxic for you, you are within your rights to leave them to their own devices and ignore them. They can no longer control you, as you said, so don’t let them by fretting over what they are saying/doing. Give them entirely over to God and live your own life now, and be at peace. 🙂
 
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