Abusive childhood

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Oh my dear, I’m so sorry you have this cross to bear–crosses can be quite heavy, especially when your own family is the source of them, can’t they? :console:

You mentioned that everyone back “home” thinks you are bad because of what your parents are saying about you. How sad for them if they believe such things without giving you the chance to vindicate your reputation. Such detraction is one of the nastiest of sins because it destroys others reputations–something hard to regain once lost. But that is their problem, not yours. If others are fooled by your parent’s lies, rest assured that the truth will come out–in God’s good time.

You no longer live with your parents nor in your “home” parish anymore, so actually, what they think of you doesn’t matter in the least. You have a new home with your husband in a new place. You will be the good person you are where you are and others will see that who now matter in your life. So, let the past go and make your own future and your own life. You are not obligated to answer to your parents or accept their abuse anymore. Since they are so toxic for you, you are within your rights to leave them to their own devices and ignore them. They can no longer control you, as you said, so don’t let them by fretting over what they are saying/doing. Give them entirely over to God and live your own life now, and be at peace. 🙂
Yes.

OP, it’s totally up to you how much time and contact you are going to have with back-home, and with whom.
 
Yes, needing to talk to discrete friends about this is going to be important.

I don’t think anyone here is thinking about a “chatterbox gossip.” No, we’re thinking of wounded people we know who incorrectly thought that sharing this kind of problem widely would help them work through it. It really doesn’t. People who aren’t close to the situation don’t know what use to make of the information. As a society, we have no idea how to handle this kind of thing. Some get uncomfortable, some think you want them to take sides (which does not help), some who used spanking as a form of discipline or who got similar complaints from their own children will get defensive. Many will think you want them to do something, when their two bits thrown in is usually the last thing in the world you want. It just doesn’t work very well.

Remember: yours is hardly the only family who is keeping this kind of thing quiet. There is a lot of shame surrounding bad parenting decisions, both in the parents and in the children. Lots of families have skeletons in their closets that are similar to or even more alarming than yours. You have far more company than you can imagine. There are also a lot of reasonably healthy families that still go through some very tense years because the parents and children cannot settle on a workable set of rules for their new adult-child-to-parent relationship. Things are said that can’t be taken back, neighbors get their ears bent about how upset the parents are, and it can take many years for things to settle down.

I would not concern myself with people who fall into rash judgment because of things your parents say, except to conclude that you don’t want to trust them with your side of this story. If they are concerned and want your side of the story, that is someone that could help your family. If they jump in with half the story and join battle without knowing what is going on, they’re better ignored.

I think I would arrange to have a private half hour or so with your parents’ pastor, if you have had a relationship with him in the past. Do not be overly accusatory and don’t ask for him to take sides. Just gently explain why glowing praise of your parents has a different effect than he undoubtedly intended. You don’t have to go into a lot of details; just say there were aspects of your childhood that aren’t in keeping with the glowing picture he has, and leave it at that. Your goal is to let him know that praise of your parents to you doesn’t help the situation. After you have done that, leave what he does with your request that he tone it down up to him. Your goal is to let him know his messages are upsetting and not helping. That is all. Don’t try to defend yourself. If he has judged you rashly, that is his issue. Give it to God; don’t weigh your luggage down with it.

Remember that if he honestly thinks they are fine people, praising them to you is something he’d expect to make you glow, too. If your mom is really a wonderful person and everyone tells you how wonderful she is to them, too, it validates the high regard you have for her, and it feels good. Other times, teens on the outs with their parents forget that their relationship with their parents is really pretty good, and blow minor conflicts that come with their growing independence all out of proportion. People close to the family might praise the parents to the child and praise the child to the parents in order to help both parents and children keep their perspective through the difficult teen years. (When they really are blowing small things up into big things, sometimes this works. Yours is not one of those times.)

Most people who tell you how wonderful your mom and dad are intend to do you good, then. They don’t intend to hurt you. Most of the time, the best course is to assume they think you and your parents are just going through a difficult transition from your dependence to your independence. In a typical child-parent transition to adult-child-parent, their strategy actually helps. Your job is to learn the adult habit of generally ignoring people who want to help but aren’t helping in favor of getting real help from the small circle that really does have your back. (A circle like this is typically one to maybe four or five people.)

You’ll spend energy you can’t spare and stir up pots that have nothing in them to help you if you try to set busybodies straight. Don’t worry about them. Turn to your support group, the people you can count on to listen without jumping in to fix things. Your one friend, your husband and a counselor could easily be enough for that. As for the rest, try “Father, forgive them. Give me the strength to bite my tongue for right now. They have no idea what they’re talking about, but if I try to tell them that, it won’t help.”

I would try to get a professional counselor, though, if you can. Your husband and friend aren’t necessarily equipped to get you through this as cleanly and strongly as a professional might. More to the point, you may need to talk about this a lot, and you don’t want to wear them out. A counselor can help you guide your thoughts through this problem in a productive way and can offer strategies for working through it that you can try, rather than “wandering in the desert” by going in futile circles with you for what could feel like 40 years because no one has any idea how to get to the Promised Land. If you talk to a counselor, you’ll have something new to say when you talk to your husband and your friend and you’ll not seem to be putting the work of putting you back together onto your husband and friend. That will help them feel less helpless as they watch you tackle this issue on your own behalf.

This is going to be a lot of work. Hang in there and take the best care of your health that you can. Take time for friendships and take time to be a friend. May the Lord go with you and be your strength and send you help!
 
Yes, needing to talk to discrete friends about this is going to be important.

I don’t think anyone here is thinking about a “chatterbox gossip.”** No, we’re thinking of wounded people we know who incorrectly thought that sharing this kind of problem widely would help them work through it. It really doesn’t. People who aren’t close to the situation don’t know what use to make of the information.** As a society, we have no idea how to handle this kind of thing. Some get uncomfortable, some think you want them to take sides (which does not help), some who used spanking as a form of discipline or who got similar complaints from their own children will get defensive. Many will think you want them to do something, when their two bits thrown in is usually the last thing in the world you want. It just doesn’t work very well.

**Remember: yours is hardly the only family who is keeping this kind of thing quiet. There is a lot of shame surrounding bad parenting decisions, both in the parents and in the children. Lots of families have skeletons in their closets that are similar to or even more alarming than yours. **You have far more company than you can imagine. There are also a lot of reasonably healthy families that still go through some very tense years because the parents and children cannot settle on a workable set of rules for their new adult-child-to-parent relationship. Things are said that can’t be taken back, neighbors get their ears bent about how upset the parents are, and it can take many years for things to settle down.

I would not concern myself with people who fall into rash judgment because of things your parents say, except to conclude that you don’t want to trust them with your side of this story. **If they are concerned and want your side of the story, that is someone that could help your family. If they jump in with half the story and join battle without knowing what is going on, they’re better ignored. **

I think I would arrange to have a private half hour or so with your parents’ pastor, if you have had a relationship with him in the past. Do not be overly accusatory and don’t ask for him to take sides. Just gently explain why glowing praise of your parents has a different effect than he undoubtedly intended. You don’t have to go into a lot of details; just say there were aspects of your childhood that aren’t in keeping with the glowing picture he has, and leave it at that. Your goal is to let him know that praise of your parents to you doesn’t help the situation. After you have done that, leave what he does with your request that he tone it down up to him. Your goal is to let him know his messages are upsetting and not helping. That is all. Don’t try to defend yourself. If he has judged you rashly, that is his issue. Give it to God; don’t weigh your luggage down with it.

**Remember that if he honestly thinks they are fine people, praising them to you is something he’d expect to make you glow, too. **If your mom is really a wonderful person and everyone tells you how wonderful she is to them, too, it validates the high regard you have for her, and it feels good. Other times, teens on the outs with their parents forget that their relationship with their parents is really pretty good, and blow minor conflicts that come with their growing independence all out of proportion. People close to the family might praise the parents to the child and praise the child to the parents in order to help both parents and children keep their perspective through the difficult teen years. (When they really are blowing small things up into big things, sometimes this works. Yours is not one of those times.)

Most people who tell you how wonderful your mom and dad are intend to do you good, then. They don’t intend to hurt you. Most of the time, the best course is to assume they think you and your parents are just going through a difficult transition from your dependence to your independence. In a typical child-parent transition to adult-child-parent, their strategy actually helps. Your job is to learn the adult habit of learning to ignore people who want to help but aren’t helping in favor of getting real help from the small circle that really does have your back. (A circle like this is typically one to maybe four or five people.)

**You’ll spend energy you can’t spare and stir up pots that have nothing in them to help you if you try to set busybodies straight. ****Don’t worry about them. Turn to your support group, the people you can count on to listen without jumping in to fix things. Your one friend, your husband and a counselor could easily be enough for that. **As for the rest, try “Father, forgive them. Give me the strength to bite my tongue for right now. They have no idea what they’re talking about, but if I try to tell them that, it won’t help.”
Yes!
 
I think there has been a misunderstanding in my question. I’m not saying I will go tell everyone I meet. But I was referring to those people I am closest to. I only have one friend anyway. I’m actually very lonely at the moment. So to paint me as a chatterbox gossip is quite false. The only one I have spoken to in my husband. But it stings lately because ever since I moved out my parents have been quite angry that they can’t control me anymore. And to add insult to injury I recently received a card from my parents priest bragging about how wonderful my mom is. The problem is he doesn’t see the behind the scenes. She knows how to put on a good show. I know my parents well enough (and sensed in a recent exchange) to know they are telling people I’m no good. And that hurts. I want to defend myself so bad but I’ve just been quiet. And I know that’s what they expect me to do too. So basically everything everyone knows about me come out of the slanderous mouths of my parents. And every good Catholic person I know back “home” thinks I’m going to hell. It feel like I’m being crucified to be brutally honest.
You don’t have to clean up gossip and detraction your parents do… It would be a full time job, kwim? Never ending. People know you, and if they are badmouthing u, people are wondering why loving parents would share negative things about thier children. Not so loving, when you think about it

Also I personally answered just your original qurstion, would it be a sin to tell about the abuse…I don’t think anyone here thinks u are being a chatter box, just guiding on how not to detract for yourself in this difficult situation.

Be well:)
 
You don’t have to clean up gossip and detraction your parents do… It would be a full time job, kwim? **Never ending. People know you, and if they are badmouthing u, people are wondering why loving parents would share negative things about thier children. Not so loving, when you think about it **

Also I personally answered just your original qurstion, would it be a sin to tell about the abuse…I don’t think anyone here thinks u are being a chatter box, just guiding on how not to detract for yourself in this difficult situation.

Be well:)
Right.

Even if you were a TERRIBLE person, it would reflect badly on your parents if they were bad-mouthing you.
 
You don’t have to clean up gossip and detraction your parents do… It would be a full time job, kwim? Never ending. People know you, and if they are badmouthing u, people are wondering why loving parents would share negative things about thier children. Not so loving, when you think about it

Also I personally answered just your original qurstion, would it be a sin to tell about the abuse…I don’t think anyone here thinks u are being a chatter box, just guiding on how not to detract for yourself in this difficult situation.

Be well:)
This is helpful to think about. Thanks. I will try to keep things in perspective. 👍
I’ve never found myself in such a mess as thins one. I can only think God permitted it for my good, as hard as that is to understand at times.
 
This is helpful to think about. Thanks. I will try to keep things in perspective. 👍
I’ve never found myself in such a mess as thins one. I can only think God permitted it for my good, as hard as that is to understand at times.
Sometimes, I think it is more useful to remember that God can turn anything to the good for those who are faithful, whether the situation looks good or bad or difficult or easy on the surface. The evil one, meanwhile, will try to use any situation to turn a soul away from God, caring not whether we would consider the situation “good” or “bad.” Having said that, it is the evil one who desires to enslave us and make us suffer, whereas it is God who seeks to free us to spend an eternity with all the blessed in bliss. Part of what will make that bliss possible is what kind of soul is forged by the way we chose to handle the situations in our life.

I don’t know if you know the book The Screwtape Letters, but it is a very clever consideration of how differently the demons see our lives than we do, presented in the form of letters of advice from a senior tempter, Screwtape, to a junior tempter named Wormwood, who it trying to ensnare his first soul, a man whom Screwtape refers to as Wormwood’s “patient.”

*"You complain that my last letter does not make it clear whether I regard being in love as a desirable state for a human or not. But really, Wormwood, that is the sort of question one expects them to ask! Leave them to discuss whether “Love”, or patriotism, or celibacy, or candles on altars, or teetotalism, or education, are “good” or “bad”. Can’t you see there’s no answer? Nothing matters at all except the tendency of a given state of mind, in given circumstances, to move a particular patient at particular moment nearer to the Enemy or nearer to us. Thus it would be quite a good thing to make the patient decide that “love” is “good” or “bad”…

"…Like most of the other things which humans are excited about, such as health and sickness, age and youth, or war and peace, it is, from the point of view of the spiritual life, mainly raw material,

Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE"*
(From Letter XIX, The Screwtape Letters)
 
Sometimes, I think it is more useful to remember that God can turn anything to the good for those who are faithful, whether the situation looks good or bad or difficult or easy on the surface. The evil one, meanwhile, will try to use any situation to turn a soul away from God, caring not whether we would consider the situation “good” or “bad.” Having said that, it is the evil one who desires to enslave us and make us suffer, whereas it is God who seeks to free us to spend an eternity with all the blessed in bliss. Part of what will make that bliss possible is what kind of soul is forged by the way we chose to handle the situations in our life.

I don’t know if you know the book The Screwtape Letters, but it is a very clever consideration of how differently the demons see our lives than we do, presented in the form of letters of advice from a senior tempter, Screwtape, to a junior tempter named Wormwood, who it trying to ensnare his first soul, a man whom Screwtape refers to as Wormwood’s “patient.”

*"You complain that my last letter does not make it clear whether I regard being in love as a desirable state for a human or not. But really, Wormwood, that is the sort of question one expects them to ask! Leave them to discuss whether “Love”, or patriotism, or celibacy, or candles on altars, or teetotalism, or education, are “good” or “bad”. Can’t you see there’s no answer? Nothing matters at all except the tendency of a given state of mind, in given circumstances, to move a particular patient at particular moment nearer to the Enemy or nearer to us. Thus it would be quite a good thing to make the patient decide that “love” is “good” or “bad”…

"…Like most of the other things which humans are excited about, such as health and sickness, age and youth, or war and peace, it is, from the point of view of the spiritual life, mainly raw material,

Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE"*
(From Letter XIX, The Screwtape Letters)
This is so good. Thank you! 😃
 
. Do not be overly accusatory and don’t ask for him to take sides. Just gently explain why glowing praise of your parents has a different effect than he undoubtedly intended.** You don’t have to go into a lot of details; just say there were aspects of your childhood that aren’t in keeping with the glowing picture he has, and leave it at that.** Your goal is to let him know that praise of your parents to you doesn’t help the situation. After you have done that, leave what he does with your request that he tone it down up to him. Your goal is to let him know his messages are upsetting and not helping. That is all. Don’t try to defend yourself. If he has judged you rashly, that is his issue. Give it to God; don’t weigh your luggage down with it.
The results would be almost wicked of subtlety making the priest question the integrity and reputation of the OP’s parents. The priest would be left to wonder what the parents had possibly done and left to consider the worst as being possible. What could be worst than spanking a child and making the child eat her veggies? A lot of things. It would seem to be a better thing to do to speak with the priest with an open heart and mind and be receptive to his advice. Tell the priest you feel hurt about the spanking and being made to eat your veggies and about the current problems of their criticism of you and what that involves.
 
The results would be almost wicked of subtlety making the priest question the integrity and reputation of the OP’s parents. The priest would be left to wonder what the parents had possibly done and left to consider the worst as being possible. What could be worst than spanking a child and making the child eat her veggies? A lot of things. It would seem to be a better thing to do to speak with the priest with an open heart and mind and be receptive to his advice. Tell the priest you feel hurt about the spanking and being made to eat your veggies and about the current problems of their criticism of you and what that involves.
That is a good point, that if one isn’t clear, it opens the door to all sorts of horrors in the imagination of the listener.
 
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