According to Catholics, is Christ present in Lutheran Eucharist?

[hn160]

Consubstantiation: during the sacrament, the “substance” of the body and blood of Christ, upon the words of consecration, become mystically present, alongside the substance of the bread and wine.

Transubstantiation is similar: during the sacrament, the “substance” of the body and blood of Christ, upon the words of consecration, is all that remains, mystically speaking, in spite of the fact that mere bread and wine is all that is perceptible to the senses.

I think ML embraced consubstantiation but perhaps JonNC is right. I am still not 100% sure.

What I do know, with certainty, is the fact that Martin Luther definitely came to reject the idea of the Eucharist being a genuine sacrifice of the Mass, which, in my opinion is difficult to reconcile with the fact that he believed that the Eucharist, upon the words of consecration, truly became Jesus’ Body and Blood.

Lutherans along with Martin Luther do not believe in consubstantiation, rather we take it as a mystery. We take Christ at His Word when He said " This is …". Luther told Zwingli that he (Luther) would rather drink wine with the Pope because Zwingli was of a different spirit.

 

[CopticChristian]

Lutherans along with Martin Luther do not believe in consubstantiation, rather we take it as a mystery. We take Christ at His Word when He said " This is …". Luther told Zwingli that he (Luther) would rather drink wine with the Pope because Zwingli was of a different spirit.

Excluding the process by which one gets to the point of believing, do I see a difference in opinion as to what the Lord’s supper is?

 

[gcnuss]

Luther told Zwingli that he (Luther) would rather drink wine with the Pope because Zwingli was of a different spirit.

The actual quote – insofar as I can tell because there are several versions – is:

“Before I drink mere wine with the Swiss I shall drink blood with the pope”;

Luther shared with the pope the belief that the cup contained the Blood of Christ while the Swiss (Zwinglians) did not believe in the real presence.

 

[hn160]

The actual quote – insofar as I can tell because there are several versions – is:

Luther shared with the pope the belief that the cup contained the Blood of Christ while the Swiss (Zwinglians) did not believe in the real presence.

Which brings up a question, I never understood the rationale of the ELCA being in full communion with the Reform type Churches and allowing open Communion with everybody. I was a member of an ELCA church at the time that full communion was anounced with the TEC and with the UCC, PCA, and the Moravian Church and I asked my pastor this question, he really answer it except to say that it was glossed over.

 

[JonNC]

Which brings up a question, I never understood the rationale of the ELCA being in full communion with the Reform type Churches and allowing open Communion with everybody. I was a member of an ELCA church at the time that full communion was anounced with the TEC and with the UCC, PCA, and the Moravian Church and I asked my pastor this question, he really answer it except to say that it was glossed over.

Well, the issue with the TEC was different than that of the others you mentioned. Other than that, I agree.

Jon